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Kingerski: Penguins, Dubas Might Be Stuck

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Kyle Dubas, Pittsburgh Penguins. Trade talk. Free Agency. NHL Draft

There is a brewing problem with the Pittsburgh Penguins’ rebuild.

Well, they’re not urgent issues, but they are troubles beyond the normal process of finding the right players, coach, and young players who are worthy of keeping around beyond the organization’s hopefully short transition period to rock bottom and upward in the standings toward Stanley Cup contention.

With human beings, there will always be mistakes, and general manager Kyle Dubas has already taken a couple of mulligans on contracts dished out during his first days on the job in 2023. But those contracts to goaltender Tristan Jarry and defenseman Ryan Graves were delivered when the mission was different; the Penguins were trying to salvage one more playoff run for Sidney Crosby and the championship core.

And so the trade for Erik Karlsson also happened.

Those moves led them to the need to rebuild post haste, as each played a role in the Penguins’ collapse this season. If not for a late winning streak, the Penguins were in contention for a top-five draft pick.

That high pick would have been a huge blessing for the rebuild. And the team might still get the required top-six center if Roger McQueen falls to them at No. 11 in the draft, or a bedrock middle-six pivot if Brady Martin is available.

In the moment, the late-season winning ways seemed to be beneficial as the team preserved its identity and pride, and made it easier to plug-and-play young players, including Rutger McGroarty and Ville Koivunen. There was real benefit if the team hoped for a quick turnaround. However, that was before Dubas pushed the reset button and cleansed the bench of Mike Sullivan, who wanted that short turnaround rebuild, and opted for coach Dan Muse, who was hired for his work with young players.

In the bright sunshine (or constant rain) of the early summer, the Penguins’ rebuild is taking on a new, and possibly problematic position: They might not stink next year.

In fact, they might be a competitive team, right in the middle, with a chance to make the playoffs. The Penguins’ top six might be quite good with McGroarty and Koivunen, in addition to one or both of Bryan Rust and Rickard Rakell side-saddling Crosby and Evgeni Malkin.

For the concern about Malkin’s natural late career regression, he makes just over $6 million. He remains a solid second-line center option, even if we think he’d be a better winger at this stage of his career.

Some younger players already in the organization, such as Tristan Broz, and younger players who will be trade acquisitions, could further burnish the production of the forwards crew.

Heck, if they add a player such as Nic Hague, K’Andre Miller, and/or subtract Erik Karlsson, even the Penguins’ defense could be significantly improved. What happens if the Penguins have a competent top six, solid bottom six, and an improved albeit mediocre defense?

What happens if Jarry is at least consistently average? Or if Sergei Murashov demands an NHL job by December and is as good as hoped?

You might be thinking, that’s the plan, dummy!

Well, not quite. The timing is off.

There has been a thought which has been percolating in various forms finally crystallized this week. The problem with the Penguins’ rebuild is that they’re still built on Crosby. Every good player that Dubas adds right now only increases the shallowness of the rebuild and the middling effects.

It would instead seem there is a great possibility that Dubas can add significant pieces very quickly, but eventually be left without a foundation for the myriad of complementary pieces, thus creating another transition period.

Is it possible to add all of the pieces around Crosby, and then fill the enormous roles which Crosby has filled when necessary to achieve the stated goal of returning to contention for a long period of time?

It’s a gambit that there will eventually be a free agent worthy and willing to lead the next era.

For those who have advocated a more significant roster purge leading to losing and high draft picks, the Penguins’ current position has changed to validate that position (though I can’t say it was necessarily true two months ago). It seems Dubas should indeed trade away as many veterans this summer and next season as possible, including Karlsson, Kris Letang, and Rakell. The cutting shouldn’t stop there, either, but the remainder of veterans such as Kevin Hayes and Noel Acciari are unlikely to bring much, if anything, in return.

If the Penguins are to return to contending for the long term, they’re actually on the verge of being too good, too quickly, to do so because they will deny themselves a high draft pick or two.

Too good to lose, not good enough to contend for more than a moment.

In fairness, it seems Dubas’s blitzkrieg acquiring draft picks could yield more immediate dividends via trade for young players or upwards in the draft, rather than waiting until 2027 for extra third-rounders. Or, next year, perhaps in two years, the proper free agent could spring the Penguins back to another decade of chasing the Stanley Cup with realistic intentions as Dubas’s potential cavalcade of young players reaches successful NHL readiness.

Right now, it seems more like a game of Perfection. The children’s game matching shapes to spots before the board explodes, throwing everything back into chaos. On the current pace, the Penguins’ Perfection board is about to pop in two or three years, setting everything back when Crosby steps away. Dubas has charted a unique course, and the race is not only against others but an inverted race against their own players maturing and becoming necessary trade chips for a revamped revamp already stuck in the middle.

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Scott Becker
Scott Becker
3 days ago

Dan, I can’t say I entirely follow the thread of your article but to the extent that I follow most of it, I remain of the view that it’s extremely unlikely that another Lemieux/Crosby icon will appear in a Penguins jersey during the balance of your career. That’s different than saying the Penguins won’t win another SC in that time period. My point is that hoping for a “gambit” as you call it, to sign a free agent to fill Sid’s skates is the equivalent of wishing in one hand and you know what in the other, as you &… Read more »

Hatrick Pornqvist
Hatrick Pornqvist
2 days ago
Reply to  Scott Becker

If there was a year I hope we absolutely tank, it is this year. Having a lottery pick shot at McKenna is worth it.

Eri
Eri
3 days ago

Interesting take – Dubas damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. I certainly hope KD uses some of the extra draft capital to move up in this draft – if they snag McQueen and Martone in round 1, I’d call it a win. I imagine a lot of their draft strategy is dependent on Scenario A – NYR defer to 2026 or Scenario B – NYR give 2025. As long as KD doesn’t negligently trade away any 1st rounders, and keeps adding younger positional talent (snags a center or two) it’ll ideally transition from mid-pack, to regular playoff… Read more »

Scott Becker
Scott Becker
3 days ago
Reply to  Eri

Asking Sid to play a supporting role as 2nd or 3rd line center would be the equivalent of having Tom Brady play back up or LeBron/Jordan as 6th man.

Eri
Eri
3 days ago
Reply to  Scott Becker

Haha, point taken but you’re comparing apples and oranges when it comes to the sport (plus Brady was a backup QB at one point in his NFL career). I wouldn’t call a 2nd line NHL center a supporting role; You’re still generating offense. Plus imagine the opposition having to deal with Sidney Crosby on the 2nd line – even at 40! On top of that Sid is fully aware of this re-build/re-tool/re-vamp of the roster; they are adding to become competitive in the long term, but are aiming to hit sooner rather than later. Otherwise he would have more than… Read more »

Arthur Frampton
Arthur Frampton
3 days ago
Reply to  Scott Becker

Sorry, at some point Sid’s skills will start eroding if they haven’t started already. He will recognize this and take a back seat to the next generation. Either that or he’s going to say I don’t have it anymore, and retire. He has too much pride to become a liability. He will recognize that in his last playing years, being a mentor to the next generation will be more important than Dubas’ sacrificing the future just to win Sid another cup.

Scott Becker
Scott Becker
3 days ago

No apology necessary but I definitely disagree with you except your reference to pride. From Ty Cobb to Babe Ruth to Hank Aaron in baseball and Tom Brady (he was a backup as a rookie not as a 7 time SB winner) , Peyton Manning and Jimmy Brown in football to LeBron, Kobe & MJ in basketball no icon retired as a second stringer. There are no backups on Mount Rushmore. Sid, just every other ultra elite star, will retire before his skills have eroded to the point he can’t lead the team. Mario was never a backup up nor… Read more »

Mel Reichenbaugh
Mel Reichenbaugh
3 days ago

I see your point but Florida has no true “superstars” and Vegas and St. Louis did not either, and all won the Cup

Scott Becker
Scott Becker
3 days ago

Mel, exactly my point.
I was responding to what I thought was Dan’s suggestion that we wait for a “gambit” of signing a free agent (singular) to fill Sid’s role. I honestly don’t believe the Penguins will see another Lemieux/Crosby in the next 30 seasons.
Crosby has been in the league 20 years and McDavid is the only one who has come into the NHL since who is his peer. That’s why Dubas should accumulate multiple good players rather than hoping for the Second Coming.

David
David
3 days ago
Reply to  Scott Becker

I’m not sure that is right. Crosby is elite , but I never heard of him when Mario was playing. The penguins need to rid of bad players. Players they know aren’t good. The scouting department needs to help here also. The coaching change is a question. Not sure it is the right one. Let them play and find out. Being a fan means you support not run everyone into the ground.

eric
eric
3 days ago

but they are both deep and have talented player. Every trade Florida made fit seamlessly into their system. Bennett, Reinhart, Mikkloa, Jones, Forsling…… all worked. That can’t be said the same here.

Jeremy
Jeremy
2 days ago

Matthew Tkachuk is an elite player- especially with how the playoffs are officiated. that trade that put the panthers over the top. They gave up two all stars to get him, and they were correct about how you should spend your cap space if you want to win a cup in this environment.

Last edited 2 days ago by Jeremy
Gary Andersen
Gary Andersen
3 days ago

Nah….I have to disagree Dan. Even in a “best case scenario” the Pens won’t be a playoff team. Adding Hague/Miller to an awful defense would certainly help (just not nearly enough)….having McGrorarty & Koivunen playing top 6 minutes on Sid/Geno wings for an entire season will also be an upgrade. But let’s not forget that the bottom 6 will still be a below average group ….at best maybe they could be average. Lastly…even if Jarry is at his best (nobody is sure exactly what his best is) or Murashov is the real deal and plays well…ultimately they still have one… Read more »

eric
eric
3 days ago
Reply to  Gary Andersen

remember how bad the bottom 6 was before KD got here! Worse in league.

Vittorio
Vittorio
2 days ago
Reply to  Gary Andersen

Get over the McKenna to the Pens idea. I’m sick and tired of this. I told fans over and over and over and over again that the 24-25 PENGUINS would not get a lottery pick but did anybody bother to LISTEN: NO THEY DID NOT. Guess what happened Gary Andersen: There picking outside the lottery. So I want you and everybody else to listen when I say this: The PENGUINS are not going to get a lottery pick and they have no shot at McKenna. With the Big Man as my WITNESS it won’t happen so get over it and… Read more »

Scott Becker
Scott Becker
2 days ago
Reply to  Vittorio

Vittorrio,
some of us PHNers, including at least one born in the first half of the 20th century, still believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy so what’s the big deal about Mr. Andersen believing GMKD might have the opportunity to draft a young man named Mr. McKenna?
Seems like a rather mundane expectation to me.

Now if I could only find that dime the TF left under my pillow 🤔.

Vittorio
Vittorio
2 days ago
Reply to  Scott Becker

I to have an expectation and that expectation is to be back here moments after the 26 draft lottery and telling fans that “I TOLD YOU SO”

Scott Becker
Scott Becker
2 days ago
Reply to  Vittorio

😂🤣 I’ve marked it on my calendar!

Christopher Castine
Christopher Castine
3 days ago

This has been my thinking as well.

The fact js the roster isnt that bad and is projecting to get better and younger and faster with this off season. Even if its just supporting pieces – our top 6 is solid anyway. Our goaltending should be better, and will be better with ANY improvement on defense.

We could definitely compete for a playoff spot.

We need the Rangers to continue to destruct. Im not convinced they wont.

Rich81
Rich81
3 days ago

I think Dubas is fully aware of the tough position he’s in. He knows this team isn’t close, and won’t be if they keep aiming just to sneak into the playoffs — he’s said as much himself. All you need to have done was watch these playoffs to see that. I don’t see him straying from the long-term vision he’s building. Any deviation now would just reset the clock again, and we’re already heading into year four. He needs to keep making good, tough decisions — especially now that he’s not tied to a 10-year coach who had some influence.… Read more »

Last edited 3 days ago by Rich81
Eri
Eri
3 days ago
Reply to  Rich81

I think you’re right, he knows he’s in a tough position, but the aim should be the playoffs this season, (no short-term rental trades) and building on the momentum. The coaching reset was necessary, but I highly doubt he hired Dan Muse with the directive of tanking to get better drafting position. More like win, but we need to deploy and develop our younger roster players who can learn what a full NHL season is like, and if possible post-season hockey. Drafting alone can’t build you a contender; It takes too long and is much more uncertain. The Pens did… Read more »

eric
eric
3 days ago

The predicament mostly because of keeping the core together as long as they have. Trading Geno after the 2019 season would have brought a pretty good haul, epically young talent, that would have had time to develop. Instead, they chose to keep hip and Tanger. 16 goals last season, and most likely will regress next year.

kingpuck
kingpuck
3 days ago

Nice probem to have!

ric jefferies
ric jefferies
2 days ago

The ‘game’ is called hockey, not ‘IF’ and it IS a business way more than a game at a professional level. Might even say resembles an Italian opera with all the drama, emotion and controversy in the NHL. Players are more performers than athletes at this level with all the speculation surrounding them, all said it does put asses in seats and pays the bills. How many more days until the new season starts? ( I’m a masochist of sorts )

George Kilantonis
George Kilantonis
2 days ago

That’s why I think they should try to get Marner. Forget about a long rebuilding process. As long as Sid is here, and the prospects start to pan out, the Penguins are unlikely to get a top 3 draft pick. What they have is a bunch of prospects who project to be complementary players, and a bunch of cap space. I think it’s silly to pass up a star player in his prime because it’s “not time yet.” I expect the Penguins to be similar or better next year with young, hungry prospects replacing the bargain bin journeymen, so why… Read more »

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