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One Question: What Do Players Think of the Push for Penguins to Tank?

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If a team is going to tank, the person most instrumental in that process is the general manager, and there does not seem to be an indication that Pittsburgh Penguins president of hockey operations/GM Kyle Dubas has tanking in mind.



Although he made trades and acquired a bundle of assets leading up to and at the NHL trade deadline earlier this month, Dubas retained a core of players who could still be part of a retool, rather than leave the cupboard bare so the Penguins could finish low enough in the standings to have high odds of getting a prime pick in the draft lottery.

That didn’t stop, and hasn’t stopped, a faction of fans – and some media types – from openly calling for the Penguins to tank, if you monitor social media and website comments. The idea being, since it’s not realistic for them to make the playoffs – for the third year in a row – they should aim to finish as low as possible in standings to increase their chances for a great slot, even perhaps first overall, in the draft lottery.

In this incarnation of One Question, PHN wanted to survey a handful of players about the general idea of the team tanking. After all, while the GM can manipulate the roster, it’s the players who still have to finish the season.

So we put forth the question, prefaced with the fact that the GM has most of the control: What’s your reaction to the fans and observers who think the Penguins should tank?

One guy struggled with the question. One said it was easy.  A couple others gave expanded answers.

The player who was uncomfortable with the question was the youngest one asked.

“I don’t really know what to say. That’s not my job,” winger Philip Tomasino said. “We can let the fans discuss that one. I think we’re in good hands with Kyle. I don’t think (tanking) is the mindset around here.”

Veteran forward Kevin Hayes was succinct.

“I don’t believe in that,” he said. “We get paid to do a job, and that’s what we’re going to do.”

PHN didn’t think this One Question would be complete without asking a couple of the Penguins’ longtime core players.

First in that category was team captain and one of the best to play the game, center Sidney Crosby. While he took a couple seconds to absorb the question, he was the one who thought it was easy to answer.

“I’ll leave that to other people, but we try to win every single game,” Crosby said.

Seriously, even if he were part of a team whose aim was to tank, could anyone see Crosby cooperating, or dealing well with being part of that strategy?

Before we get to the second core player asked, let’s consider top-line winger Rickard Rakell’s response. Tanking usually goes hand-in-hand with a tear-it-down rebuild. The fact that Rakell did not get traded is one strong indication that the Penguins are not in tank mode, regardless of any push from the outside.

Rakell offered a wider take on the general issue of tanking.

“Just look at Washington, where they are right now — they didn’t do a full rebuild; they just retooled, added a few pieces. And now they’re right back at the top again,” Rakell said. “I don’t necessarily think you have to go through the whole five-, 10-year plan to be a contender again. I think it’s just about finding the right pieces for the team. Washington is a good example right now.”

The other core player PHN surveyed was defenseman Kris Letang, who provided a thoughtful answer despite opening with, “I don’t pay attention to what people think.”

Letang made it clear he does not believe tanking is effective.

“I would like to get an example of a team that tanked and won the Stanley Cup,” he said. “If they can prove that to me, maybe I would believe in it.”

There was a time when the Penguins almost assuredly tanked – although then-GM Eddie Johnston has never officially copped to it. In 1983-84, the Penguins finished 16-58-6, “edging” New Jersey for last in the league standings. That earned them the right to draft a guy named Mario Lemieux.

Of course, back then there was no draft lottery that simply improved the chances of drafting at or close to the top of the first round. Whoever finished last was guaranteed the first overall pick to do with as they wished.

And even though the Penguins’ last-place finish that season led to them drafting an all-time great, it still took the team five years to make the playoffs and seven to win the Cup with Lemieux.

So, especially in today’s NHL, Letang’s challenge would seem to hold up.

Letang also believes that tanking is the antithesis of a team growing into a contender the proper way.

“I just think young players should grow through veteran players like me, Sid and (Evgeni Malkin) did,” he said. “I just think that’s the way you’re going to learn the most. Sometimes if you look at any job, if you want to get to the top, you have to go through every position. I think as a player you have to be put in a lot of positions to become a better player, a better veteran, a better person.

“So I don’t think tanking … I don’t agree with it.”

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Annie
Annie
6 days ago

Tanking is not part of the Pens DNA. And it shouldn’t be. All the couch coaches are full of shit. JMHO, of course.

JoJo
JoJo
6 days ago
Reply to  Annie

Where do you think Mario and Sid came from? Especially tanking in ’04 took us two top picks in Geno & Sid, so tanking IS part of the Pens DNA, like any other team.

Rich81
Rich81
6 days ago
Reply to  JoJo

that’s why Gene U & EJ are Penguins legends

Robert Shoemaker
Robert Shoemaker
6 days ago
Reply to  JoJo

Tanking is losing on purpose

Stanley Kupp
Stanley Kupp
6 days ago

I wouldn’t expect them to say anything otherwise. It’s a GM decision, just like what happened when Mario was drafted. I doubt seriously that Dubas would tell Sully to follow that path. Also, they didn’t have the lottery back then either. So…let’s tank it!!!

Sam
Sam
6 days ago
Reply to  Stanley Kupp

Tanking is for losers, whether GM, HC, or players. Or fans for that matter.

Stanley Kupp
Stanley Kupp
6 days ago
Reply to  Sam

Tanking gets the team to the near top of the draft and something every losing team tried to do.

Sam
Sam
6 days ago
Reply to  Stanley Kupp

BS. Only for losers. It’s not in the DNA of this team that has 4 future HOFers. You’re pushing as pipe dream. Smell the coffee, dude.

Joshk
Joshk
6 days ago

I wouldn’t want any other answers from players. And I don’t want them to tank, meaning not play hard or well. Try to score as many goals as you can! On the other hand, maybe playing a little more conservative with shot blocking, that sort of thing, would not be horrible. If you give up some additional goals and lose some games on the margins, that’s ok. Players stay healthy, and pens get higher draft pick.

Joshk
Joshk
6 days ago

It is kind of funny that Jarry is playing so well, now that it might benefit the team to maybe not have stellar goaltending. But, more power to him. If he re-discovers his game and plays great going forward, great for pens either as their goalie, or as trade chip.

Robert Shoemaker
Robert Shoemaker
6 days ago
Reply to  Joshk

Goaltenders are a rare breed. There are so many examples of goaltenders playing well to extremely well, getting contracts and then falling off the map completely. Jarry, Campbell, and Husso are all examples of this off the top of my head. Sure there are others. If you think about it, it is no different than scorers who go cold for long stretches. Only with a goaltender, it is called out way more often and more vitrol directed towards them. That said, keep winning Jars!

Mel Reichenbaugh
Mel Reichenbaugh
5 days ago

Ned is another example.

Rich81
Rich81
6 days ago
Reply to  Joshk

I would go with trade chip. No shape or form do I trust him, nor should the Pens. They cannot be that gulliable, or can they? This will really show what they are as a mgmt team.

Stanley Kupp
Stanley Kupp
6 days ago
Reply to  Rich81

Exactly.

Sam
Sam
6 days ago
Reply to  Rich81

Let’s just wait and see how his play unfolds the rest of this season. Personally, I’m not a fan of his, but maybe the better avenue is trade Ned, keep TJ, and let Blomqvist and Murashov and even Larsson battle for the other G spot.

Robert Shoemaker
Robert Shoemaker
6 days ago
Reply to  Rich81

In Murashov i trust. Blomqvist is also getting there. Even if Jarry wins the remainder of his games this season, i still think it is time for him to go and the penguins can continue rebuilding and use a younger goaltender. A change of scenery would be great for both Jarry and the Penguins.

Rich81
Rich81
6 days ago

No self-respecting, prideful athlete would ever intentionally tank. If they would, that’s not someone I’d want on my team. The responsibility for tanking falls on the GM—by assembling a weaker roster, he creates the conditions where losing becomes more likely. But no team is going to just deliberately throw games.

wesman33
wesman33
6 days ago
Reply to  Rich81

Dubas has definitely assembled a weakened roster

Last edited 6 days ago by wesman33
Rich81
Rich81
6 days ago
Reply to  wesman33

they are playing too good, lol

Robert Shoemaker
Robert Shoemaker
6 days ago

The team has been playing badly and losing enough all season. Basically, “tanking”, while trying to win. Nothing makes sense with this team anymore!!! So many seemingly “no show” efforts for so many players to believe that they are not actively trying to tank. 🤷🏻‍♂️

mark fields
mark fields
6 days ago

What the Penguins had over many teams over the last 15 years was a culture of winning. It had them win games they shouldn’t….don’t lose that culture…otherwise you lose what made the Penguins the Penguins

Pete
Pete
6 days ago
Reply to  mark fields

Its gone. Last 7 years they have a culture of losing. But Sully is brilliant. Lets not try anything new.

Last edited 6 days ago by Peter Hoffman
Jeff Young
Jeff Young
6 days ago

Teams don’t tank, organizations do.

Aaron
Aaron
6 days ago

The only time a team should tank is when there is a generational player involved. And even then, it may not work out the first few years of their career (see the teams surrounding Bedard and Celebrini right now). While the Pens still have Sid, Geno, even Letang and Karlsson, tanking is not an option. It’s either retool on the fly like the Capitals did or gut the entire team like Chicago and San Jose have. But in real-time, which path has proven to be more successful?

Chalkdust
Chalkdust
6 days ago

Ditto what Annie said.

Jstripsky
Jstripsky
6 days ago

Tanking means that the team (management/players) are trying to lose. Maybe the better thing to look at is players not giving their best effort. Things like

  • Hustling to get back to help on on odd man breaks
  • Blocking shots
  • Going to the net and taking some abuse

Honestly, I think there were some players not doing that when they were close to a playoff position and it’s gotten worse.

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 days ago

Should the players and coaches try to win? Of course. Should the penguins improve their team to the point they finish with the 15th pick in the ‘26 draft? Of course not. This is not a tank, in that they’re not trying to lose deliberately. It’s where they are organically – they’re one of the worst teams in the league a year out from a good draft. Don’t get a lot better until after the ‘26 draft. And then get good as fast as possible. I debate signing a player as good as a Marner or Rantannen. If they’re some… Read more »

Robert Shoemaker
Robert Shoemaker
6 days ago
Reply to  Jeremy

Rantanen is signed for 8 years with Dallas, so he is off the board. Marner is good, but i doubt that Kyle could convince him to play for pittsburgh. The rest of your plan is what they have to do, barring any trades Kyle makes that can actually improve the team. Right now, stay clear of free agency except to fill roster spaces that could possibly be flipped like he did last offseason.

Uros
Uros
6 days ago

Is there a sane fan that turns their tv on, or goes to the game, just to root for their team to lose, whatever the reason? That is not a fan. They are just saying they will be fans once glory days come back.

Penguinfan
Penguinfan
5 days ago

Well I have a hard time seeing 100% participation from players anyways. If it was the core and the rest were basically 3rd or 4th liners it might be easier to “tank” due to GM’s decision. Of course it seems Jarry has shown improvement. The moves made a trade deadline seem to have made more of an impact than expected(at least to me)

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