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Let it Rip: Time for Sullivan to Bag Skate Penguins, Deliver Real Punishments
The Pittsburgh Penguins not only did not hold the lead again, but they slumbered through the third period just as they did against the San Jose Sharks, one game after absolutely imploding against the Columbus Blue Jackets. It’s no longer an issue to address but part of the team’s DNA as they get a lead only to stop playing with the same energy. And it’s time for coach Mike Sullivan to send a team-wide message.
It’s time for a good old-fashioned bag skate. A no-puck practice. A skate until you’re exhausted and then a bit more type of practice.
No system lessons, no power play drills, and no shootout practice.
Sullivan needs to bag-skate them hard to lay down the mandate that defensive carelessness is not acceptable. The laissez-faire and nonchalant method of protecting leads is good only for losing, and a team with self-respect would fight for itself.
I’ve seen Sullivan angry and have seen it up close. Tuesday night was as angry as I’ve seen Sullivan off the ice. There was fire in his eyes and fire in his voice, even as he chose to articulate the softer version of his thoughts.
“Because we have to compete harder. We need more guys to compete harder and pay more attention to detail,” said Sullivan. “And we need to take more pride in playing defense.”
The disdain and anger with which he uttered the words were intense. He stared at the back wall in the media room as he said it, his words pointed, and his facial expression flashed the fury of a coach guiding a team good enough to outplay the Tampa Bay Lightning, which once again succumbed to a mental collapse.
It’s not a crisis of confidence. I’ve asked numerous players that question, including Sidney Crosby, for a second time on Tuesday.
“I don’t think we’re trying to sit back. I think it’s just we’ve got to realize and find ways to get momentum shifts back,” Crosby said with a lack of conviction.
However, Sullivan has not lowered the boom on his team in a very long time. We cannot recount the last time the Penguins were put through a team-wide punishment. Sullivan generally doesn’t believe in it—a bag skate in this day and age is a last resort. It’s a “break glass in case of emergency” tactic, and if it fails, there’s nothing else left to do.
And then the coach is in real trouble.
Sure, if the Penguins had stud prospects pushing to leap forward in the lineup or eating up AHL opponents, sending a message or three by delivering a few plates of press box nachos would be well warranted. It’s difficult to sit players such as Erik Karlsson because they Penguins are already down to two right-side defensemen until Kris Letang returns.
It surely would be justified, but the list of players who deserve a seat is not short, either.
There is also an inherent danger to team-wide punishments. A coach can’t use the punishment a second time if the first one doesn’t work because then the card is played with no fallback.
However, there’s also a potential benefit, too. On Nov. 1, Montreal Canadiens coach Martin St. Louis put the boys through a bag skate.
“There are different ways to get a message across. That’s the most blunt way. There’s not a single guy in here who thought we didn’t deserve it,” Brendan Gallagher told reporters after practice. “You go out there, you put your head down, you work, and you do it together. Now, it’s time for us to rectify it and move on.”
The Canadiens’ record hasn’t improved much since being put through their paces (3-5-0), but the team has been showing more signs of life lately. Also, they’re not a good team (yet).
Last season, Nashville Predators head coach Andrew Brunette took away a team party after a particularly bad stretch. He yanked the team’s trip to The Sphere in Las Vegas to see a U2 concert.
The team responded by becoming the hottest team in the league over their last 25 games and rallying from four points out of a playoff spot to claiming the top wild card by seven points over the first team out of the playoffs.
Sullivan undoubtedly saw an esteemed member of his fraternity go down in flames Tuesday and heeded the lessons, good and bad. Boston Bruins coach Jim Montgomery is a good coach, and the Bruins have had success under him—until this season.
It’s one thing to have harsh video sessions and coarse dialogue. The Penguins need more than that now. The season has sputtered headlong into a self-inflicted disaster, and there’s no help on the way. General manager Kyle Dubas is on a different mission than saving this team—he’s stockpiling for the future.
There is no good reason for the Penguins’ failure to hold a lead. One cannot say it is because they’re old and faltering in the third period because they’ve booted their leads or collapsed in the second period, too.
One cannot pin the blame on one defenseman or line, either. All of the Penguins have dipped their cup into the trough of shame, including Crosby. It’s time for Sullivan to use the hammer because there’s nothing left to do but build some hate. And there should be no player who feels they didn’t deserve it.
Practice is at noon.
I think Peterson had a Freudian slip when he said “we don’t want to be here” or did he mean he doesn’t want to be here….who would blame him…
It’s time to bench the coach. As Loverboy once sang, ‘When it’s over,’ well, it’s over. The actions of this organization, particularly from the head coach, reflect pure arrogance. While I think Dubas is somewhat constrained by FSG, Sullivan, and Crosby, the current situation clearly isn’t working.
Dan, you got it wrong again. It’s time for Sullivan to pack his bag!
I believe every time Sullivan says “defense”, Erik Karlsson says “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
That’s just inconceivable.
Stop the 30-40 minute practice focusing on line rushes and special teams. Bag skate in the morning. Film review of the lowlights. Lunch. More lowlights. 2 hour practice focused ONLY on defensive zone coverage. Team meeting asking if they want this to continue…….
And no more “optional” anything. If you need a maintenance day, hit the film room.
I’m not so sure its lack of motivation to win, from a very early age most who reach this level of hockey spent their entire childhood and adolescent years playing hockey, dreaming of playing in the NHL and then getting there. Punishment is a terrible form of motivation ( carrot or the stick ) just ask any horse or mule, what it does reinforce at times is unity among players and dissension toward the perpetrator of said punishment. (power in numbers and striking labor unions to affect change FOR strikers) This team WANTS /NEEDS something they are not getting and… Read more »
Agreed!!!
The punishment can be they don’t get to play. Start with Karlsson getting 5 games eating Nachos.
I don’t think the team will respond well to that. It’s been the same booming voice for years now. When things aren’t going well, your goalies are struggling, guys aren’t scoring, leads are being blown, guys aren’t picking up their assignments, basically everything is going wrong, ripping the team is just going to make things worse. He has been there for a very long time. It is now a culture thing. The team’s mindset might change for a game or maybe two, but it they have the Jets next. You rip the team and they still lose to a contender,… Read more »
$15-20 million for starters.
I have no doubt FSG has a cost-benefit analysis of when ticket sales and other revenue forms drop, to a certain range, they’ll be more comfortable to terminate Sullivan’s contract if things do not turn around. I don’t know if they are anywhere near that range yet or even if the whole of Sully’s contract has to be paid out, or a percentage thereof. I also am not confident in another coach getting more out of this team, it may get worse with a new HC. I am in the camp of roster design and incompatible offseason signings being the… Read more »
If he is one of the top 2-3 coaches in the league and would end up with a new team in under two weeks… #tradesully. 🙂 I mean, Boston has an opening, eh? That makes sense in a lot of ways. Heh.
We have been beaten over the head with the mantra that Sullivan will be hired immediately upon his dismissal, so that money shouldn’t enter into it.
I feel like I’ve missed out on that fun. Can I start beating people (not on any particular topic, just for general amusement)?
Sure! I’ve heard it can be very cathartic.
Good. Let another team have him. Keep Sully, keep losing!
As it’s been said for years, a coach takes a job only to be fired. This should’ve applied a few years ago.
You can lead a bad team to water, but you can’t make them win
Let it rip??? Montgomery was 120-41-23 with the Bruins and he gets fired. What is it going to take for Sullivan to get fired??? There is still time to make a push this season. The East is weak this year. Sullivan’s system is a fraud! Penguins can play but his system is not the right one for this team. What is Dubas waiting for!!!!
There isn’t a coach alive who could win with this sorry group, including the big 3
Probably not, but I’d rather try it and find out than continue to ignore the only thing that hasn’t been tried with all the changes through the years.
Agreed. It’d be interesting to see if they’d #playbetter for a different coach.
Still, fire him. What’s the worst that could happen, miss the playoffs and still suck?
I get all of this…. Sid and Gino also need to score some goals. Just not getting enough.
Don’t say Sully had to sit Ponoronov because he made some ECHL mistakes, Gryz rarely covers his man(which is high school mistake for a dman), and NEVER sits, and when you are playing your 2 worst defensive defensemen in OT(24 and 65), you are going to lose most of the time(24 OT losses in last 2 years!!!) Also Nieto getting more TOI than Bunting, Poulin and Puljujarvi is a recipe for a loss!!! Sully MUST GO!!!
There was a worse player–isn’t an argument. It’s an equivocation.
Grzelyck needs to sit. He is just lost in the defensive zone even worse than Karlsson. And that’s really really bad. Using the body to remove an opponent from the puck is like waiting for Sasquatch to deliver the Thanksgiving turkey for this team. The Pitt Marching Band majorettes could hit more than these stick twirling puck watchers. I have no clue what Sullivan is watching. Because he is missing a lot of obvious glaring errors and not removing the culprits from the lineup.
What needs to happen is for Sully to whisper to Sid before practice. Then when players come out to the ice, no coaches present, just trainers. Then Sid needs to lower the boom and tell everyone, before practice HE is leading a bag skate! With Sid at the front, skating with them, after demanding it, these guys might get it! It can’t ome from the staff at this point. It has to be the team leader putting pride, discipline and heart back into the team. I’ve said it before, i don’t see this cast in the playoffs but I do… Read more »
He should put on some skates in join in. This is like 4 straight years of the same problems, with 2 different GMs, we’ve turned the roster over like 3 times. It’s deeper than just the players not listening or whatever would abscond him of responsibility in the issue…
Wanna send a message? Waive EK. Eat the salary and re engage the team and fanbase and acknowledge at least THAT mistake.
Yes I wish they could get rid of Carlson he’s a joke
I almost hate to see the rookies play with the vet’s, even though they’re the only bright spot this year. They’re going to start picking up bad habits, the team is contagious!
This is on 87. The team reflects the leadership of its captain not the coaches.
Why hasn’t this been done already? I think it’s long past time to move on from Sullivan. It’s been 4 years since the players actually listened to his message for any extended period of time. Fire Sully and bring in Montgomery.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results…I think after 2+ season of this lunacy it’s time for the entire coaching staff to find a new team.
Trade Sully to Boston for a draft pick and he can work with Sacco.
We take and give salaries for draft picks these days ..
They traded Jake last year at the trade deadline and lost a lot of leverage because they waited too long and only had one team to negotiate. If they wait that long now to trade whatever few pieces they have (Ie: Petterson, Letang, whomever has value) they’ll get nothing. Dubas really inherited a shit show, but he’s not done anything right since he’s been here. GMJR left Hextall a mess, Hextall drove the car off the road and into a ditch. Dubas lit the dam car on fire….
Agreed. GMJR has been given too much credit. Granted, he did much good but his sacrificing the future by trading draft picks and other moves sabotaged the future. Now we all are suffering for it and have a stubborn coach, to boot.
Nailed it, Dan.
Please! What is this umbilical attachment to Sully? Any other coach with his record since 2018 would be gone.
Bag skate?? Hahaha no one with a sliver of hockey knowlege or experience ever calls it that. Says a lot
Only John Tortorella used that term last month. Only Martin St. Louis used the term. Troll elsewhere, Slappy.
This goes contrary to what we think and expect, but what if this is the most we can expect out of the Pens, particularly with the “core” given their age and the way they have played over the last few years.
Time for Sullivan and his SYSTEM to go. He has been here 9 seasons and is STILL STUCK in 2015-16 & 2016-17. Back then, he had the HORSES to imploy his system. He is AGAINST ADJUSTING his style to fit the team he has.
During the 22-23 season the Pens went on a western road trip. During that trip they lost 6 consecutive games, some to teams much worse. At the time, I saw that as writing on the wall. However, not long after that they won 6 games in a row and I hoped the losing stretch was an aberration. It was not. They floundered the rest of the season and missed the playoffs after many years for the first time and haven’t improved at all since. This tells me changes are long overdue and it’s easier to fire the coach than the… Read more »