Opinion
Penguins Fans Getting Angry; Dubas, Ownership MUST Communicate the Plan
If the Pittsburgh Penguins and the Fenway Sports Group, which owns the team, want to avoid some of the simmering anger within the fanbase, then they must begin to communicate openly with the fanbase.
Actually, the simmering anger is approaching a boil as the Penguins continue to lose. A 7-11-4 record places the team near the bottom of the league. Fans need something to support, and the current team is failing spectacularly with blown leads, ghastly mistakes, and questionable effort from some players.
Penguins president of hockey operations/GM Kyle Dubas is simultaneously trying to win and build for the very near future when the organization turns the page away from Sidney Crosby. Yet, wins are not happening, the team is not happy, fans are angry, and fans are left to insert their own narratives as the Penguins flounder.
Those fan narratives aren’t friendly or supportive to anyone involved. My X replies, and comments here have become a dark place almost exclusively featuring anger and accusation.
“Either they want to say contending or whatever phrase you want to use – retooling, retool on the fly, replenish, renew, rebuild, whatever you want to say. I think every situation is unique in every different marketplace,” Dubas said of labels and public perception on his bi-weekly team-produced TV appearance Wednesday.
“I’m a firm believer that if you throw everything overboard, you really have to be careful what you wish for because you could go a long time before you’re back to being a competitive and contending team. So, our focus is on trying to, as I always say, as urgently as possible bring in (what we can) using whatever means we have.”
That much is understood. Dubas is desperately trying to avoid a tear-it-down rebuild. But what about the current team’s lack of success?
Believing or being told the team is built to win in the face of pathetic losses and obvious reality is turning off fans in droves. Fans are outright rejecting the current sales pitch. Average attendance is already down by nearly 600 fans per game from last season, and it’s only going to get worse.
The sparse crowd Friday night for the game between the Penguins and Winnipeg Jets was jarring as large swaths of seats, even in the upper bowl, were empty. There might have been 14,000 fans there. Sure, it was raining in Pittsburgh. Gasp, rain! When has simple rain ever deterred a Pittsburgh sports fan?
No, the fans are telling the organization, “If this is trying to win, thanks, but no thanks,” and are voting with their feet.
Coach Mike Sullivan is left holding the bag as the team continues to lose and struggle. Sullivan is left answering questions daily for a team that doesn’t seem capable of more. Dubas gambled on several players over the past couple of summers in hopes of maintaining a competitive team, but those results are obviously inadequate, as Erik Karlsson yields worse results than Mikael Granlund and Jeff Petry.
The acquired players are not working out. It’s not even close, and it looks like Sullivan and the team have been left on their own for a second consecutive year.
It’s time for Dubas and ownership to articulate a path forward. Use those labels that people understand. Dubas has been acquiring draft picks like 10-year-olds used to collect baseball cards. The team has 10 picks in 2025 and 2027, but those additional picks aren’t high draft picks, and they most likely won’t see NHL ice for several years (if ever) after being drafted, which puts their arrival in 2028 and beyond.
That’s a long, LONG way in the future. What about the next four years?
Comparatively, the Philadelphia Flyers and New York Rangers spoke directly to ticket buyers and used the word “Rebuild.” Those organizations didn’t dance around the reality or try to obfuscate it to sell more tickets. Last season, Flyers GM Daniel Briere sold assets during a playoff chase, which caused a team collapse, yet very few criticized him because he was transparent. In the process, very tough fans in New York and Philadelphia appreciated the honesty and supported the effort.
Friday night, the Penguins announced attendance was a mere 15,232. Actual attendance surely looked much less than that. On a Friday night?!
Conversely, the Rangers and Flyers fans felt included, not excluded or taken advantage of. Media knew how to cover the teams and through which lens to view actions. Sure, in Philly and New York, every move was debated, and all pined for big-name acquisitions—heck, we’re fans and media. That’s pretty much how this thing works and has for over 100 years of professional sports.
Silence or spin certainly isn’t going to change that. Communication will.
The Penguins would be wise to follow their rivals because the current product does not appear to be assembled with an intense desire to win, or if it was, that has failed. Fans are ready to tear it all down or ignore the Penguins until they do.
Fans badly want to invest their hope and passion.
Like any relationship, communication is key. Dubas can’t sidestep it with verbose answers promising all things in the face of conflicting reality. If the goal is to remain competitive, this team needs immediate help. Some addition by subtraction wouldn’t hurt, either. But going back to last season, that hasn’t been forthcoming, and the summer additions were underwhelming, at best.
Dubas has communicated via email with a pool of Penguins reporters, including Pittsburgh Hockey Now, twice over the past month as significant moves, such as the Lars Eller trade, were made. But this is 2024, and this is America; the printed word isn’t the king it used to be. Fans want to see and hear. Otherwise, Dubas hasn’t spoken since his training camp press conference.
Ownership also needs to be present and accountable to fans, though the lack of such accountability as FSG has overseen mediocre Boston Red Sox seasons and the somewhat muted success of Liverpool FC doesn’t provide much hope (the soccer club seems to be on very solid ground, but many fans are unhappy over lack of investment in the transfer portal and other issues, while the Red Sox have curtailed free-agent spending and made the playoffs just once in the last six seasons).
Local fans don’t have much affinity for FSG in either situation, and the hedge fund that collects heritage logos for its portfolio would be very wise to understand Pittsburgh. This town does not support outsiders who don’t care about it. This is a small town with a lot of big buildings, and faceless ownership isn’t going to hold up here.
FSG has held exactly one press conference in its three-year tenure. In fairness, former owner Mario Lemieux didn’t often speak, either, but he remained ever-present, and fans knew it. They didn’t need to hear from Lemieux because the big guy had earned their full faith and credit by saving the franchise twice as a player and as the owner.
Lemieux also didn’t oversee the organization with phone calls from afar to discuss spreadsheets.
The only FSG press conference featured a very nervous David Beeston, then the team’s governor, who discussed the organization’s dismissal of former GM Ron Hextall and president of hockey operations Brian Burke in April 2023. However, Beeston was a representative, not a principal, of FSG and has since moved on. One of FSG’s founders, Tom Werner, recently took several questions from beat reporters in an informal setting in the press box. He gave Sullivan far more than a vote of confidence, calling him one of the two or three best coaches in the game, and firmly backed Dubas’s plan without using labels or many details.
Again, it wasn’t a press conference to communicate with fans, and there were no cameras. Werner didn’t go into great detail about ownership and shared some obvious platitudes.
“But on the other hand, I got frustrated; I think we were all disappointed last year that we didn’t make the playoffs,” Werner said last month. “I was talking to Sidney (Crosby) in March, and I said, ‘You know, we’re going to be better next year.’
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The view from this keyboard is that Penguins fans are far more educated about hockey than they were 20 years ago. They do not believe this team can be successful, and they’re frustrated to the point of anger. Fans will get behind a plan IF THEY FEEL INCLUDED. Seeing 13,000 or 14,000 fans on a weekend game should sound the alarm to management and ownership.
So, what exactly is the plan, and what is the timeline? If the ownership is impatient, who is accountable? What comes next? Fans don’t necessarily have a right to know, and no one has a legal responsibility to answer to them.
…Just as they have no obligation to show up.
All great points. I think one of the major differences between those other two franchises and Pittsburgh, over time, has been 1975 and 1994. But if the organization doesn’t figure it out, then they and us better buckle up for the ride.
BTW, if you think 87 had some sort of agreement that the Pens were going to be competitive before he signed his two-year deal, what happens by mid-March when he sees his team is in contention for the first overall pick?
Nothing.
So far this management reminds me of another Monty Python skit – The Man Who Speaks in Anagrams. Or Jabberwocky.
Dubas did gamble on some players the past couple of summers. But I believe Mike Sullivan was in on those gambles too. I dont think Dubas would acquired those players in question with out the head coaches blessing. They both deserve criticism for those decisions. Lots of blame to go around. What a mess!
Teflon Mike will be gone by Christmas. At this point, each unwatchable loss is just another nail in the coffin. It’s just that he’s “the best coach in the world” and as such, his coffin requires 2x or 3x the number of nails vs Montgomery or any other coach.
Bring in Macdonald from WBS as an interim coach. If he turns things around to being respectable, make it permanent. But he has to earn it.
How’s he not gone? Not that any other coach would have much more success given the circumstances, but it’s a measure of accountability. But that seems to be something this is missing from the pens organization right now.
Yep because its all about the money. They (FSG) could care less about the fans and city. When they sold cap space this summer for a couple of losers for a mere second and third round pics. Which translates into nothing and what we have been watching. Thats when I knew this was it for Sid and the boys. Game over. It’s been one hell of a ride but what a terrible way to go out!
The Eller trade was their press conference. Trading the most effective player in the bottom six for two picks (the higher pick being THREE drafts away), they clearly stated that acquiring long term assets is their priority; not winning right now.
Pretty easy to see.
It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what Dubas is doing, i.e., getting worse to get better. This is what “the fans” have been wanting for a few years now in terms of a rebuild. If they are now angry for getting what they pined for so be it. Thats the lifecycle of a sports franchise these days.
I don’t think tanking was KD’s intent but rather the more likely of two scenarios: 1) bring in reclamation projects that could pay off and buy another year of competitiveness or 2) miss on reclamation projects and continue the team’s inevitable decline.
Either way, accumulating future assets was his primary objective (which he has already stated publicly); he does seem to be accomplishing this objective.
I think you’re right. It’s the pretending that’s frustrating.
Why is it frustrating? They still need to try to sell tickets. It is a business.
Dubas doesn’t have a strategy. He has no idea what he is doing. I’m a Toronto fan and saw it first hand. He doesn’t have a clue.
“Fans badly want to invest their hope and passion.” Well said. Nothing but an empty hole. Give us something. Sully is the one left to wear it and face the music. Time for KD and ownership to step up.
Fans need to accept the fact that this is the natural evolution of 20 years of success. A run of 16 consecutive playoffs seasons, 3 Stanley cups and too many individual awards to list. I don’t disagree with your assessment of the situation but fans of the last 20 years have not had to endure the decline of a dynasty or even worse seasons that enabled the team to draft Lemieux and Crosby in the first place. The decline of this team is going to be longer because of the decision to keep the core together to the bitter end.… Read more »
But, can we rely on our scouting staff to figure out who to draft? They certainly don’t have a stellar record over the years.
The people paying for the tickets have a beef. Everyone else is acting like spoiled children.
Paul Steigewald calls them “morons”.
Did he really say that?
Go get’em Dan, I never did like that an organization was buying the pens, it’s only going to get worse!
FSG and Dubas have been big disapointments to say the least. Keep voting with empty seats and possibly something will change.
I fear the change will be the Houston, Atlanta, Kansas City, etc. Pens. FSG has no loyalty to Pittsburgh only the almighty dollar.
Now take this article and shove it under each FSG members door along with KDs. That’s who this article is for…thx for speaking up for us Dan
Sullivan is stuck in his ways and those ways are not working on this group of people. He needs to be replaced by a coach who is not buddies with these players. WE definitely need more size and youth. I have been a fan since 67 and yes I would rather go through a rebuild than watch this team go through the motions. I won’t go to a game until I see changer ownership caring.
Sullivan being a buddy to the players isn’t working out. A Gerard Gallant type coach will light a fire under these guys and then we’ll see what we have.
Great insight, Dan! As a fan, you probably saw the downturn coming and have accepted it. I think a lot of fans would support trying to both compete and rebuild at the same time. The issue, though, is that the players brought in the first year were poor fits for the core—and perhaps a bit too seasoned. This approach had too many gaps, which set the whole process back a year. It’ll take a monumental effort to get back on course by the season’s end. Losing is inevitable, but effort is non-negotiable. Any player who doesn’t truly want to be… Read more »
I did not see it coming quite like this and not this season. I thought next year was the bottom out
Cheer up, people. This team is a year ahead of schedule!
It’s a disgrace and fraudulent what ownership, dubas, and the bottom feeder Sullivan is doing. Coach elsewhere. It’s depressing not watching hockey and deters me from making trips to pittsburgh with my kid.
Great piece…i think the executive branch is who ought to hold most of the responsibility…they constructed the roster and like you said, communicate (very poorly) what to expect….really great piece
wow if you and these “fans” need to be told we are in a rebuild then you are all more stupid than I thought.
Thus is Pittsburgh you announce a rebuild and everyone will vanish. ain’t no one in that spoiled town going to suddenly go “oh they said it was a rebuild so I’ll watch this bad product because they were honest with me”.
I am going to get a lot of heat for this, but I don’t really care. Here is the reality, if any of you thought this team would be a playoff team this year, then you were living in a fantasy world. Trading Guentzel last year tells you what path the team is headed and it’s the future not now. That is the harsh reality. I think when he, meaning Dubas, took the job he took a swing on Karlsson, which I do admire, as it was bold, but admired that, it hasn’t worked out nor has Ryan Graves, which… Read more »
Paul Steigerwald says Penguins fans who don’t pony up for tickets are “morons” who don’t deserve to have an opinion about their team.
Then I know who the moron is, heh.
When did anyone ever take advice from him?
Rather that write a new post I’ll simply repost from 6/3/2024. And I’ll continue to do same.
6/3/2024
“Just as they missed the boat by extending Malkin and perhaps not trading him earlier , the extension of Sullivan was an unforced error. FSG was and maybe still is enamored with Sullivan so at this point they deserve each other . Another non qualifying season will occur, as I said last year at this time , and change will occur. I expect empty seats and angry fans by February or earlier.”
We are need a fresh blood. Need to change coatc. New name come and everything to change
Well said Dan! After Jake being traded, the rebuild was started. And I hate to say it but we all knew this had to happen. No playoffs last year & seasons of being swept in the 1st round…it’s time. But the good news is we have alot of great memories. The Sidney Crosby /Evegeni Malkin / Kris Letang Era has given us that and since we didn’t trade Geno when JR wanted to, I’m glad they get to finish their careers together in a really great city! Too bad Flower couldn’t have stayed with us.
Only if Malkin and Letang retire at the end of this year.
Bring back Flower! He’s 10x better than this group of “plumbers” we have now.
The product the team put on the ice during the last rebuild was putrid. Everyone knew they were basically tanking and the attendance suffered. Everyone knows they’re in a rebuild now too. Problem is unless ownership comes out and starts discounting ticket prices because they are rebuilding the attendance is going to severely suffer. People aren’t dropping a couple hundred bucks to come watch a rebuilding team whether Dubas is upfront with the fans or not.
We need the worst record in hockey the next two years to think it’s going to be better later. I plan to watch a period here or there, watch the young players to see how they develop. And hope Dubas adds another 8 picks/ prospects via trade.
It’s going to be a slog and it won’t get fun until some of the young guys -who we don’t even have yet- start to look like future stars. The players? Love those guys but they need to square their expectations with reality.
What is most shocking regarding attendance is the fact that plenty of the empty seats are season ticket holders not showing up. The lower bowl is probably 75% presold and the empty seats are surprising. Not a good sign going forward.
Start with the coach for goodness sakes. Why is he still there it’s embarrassing. Even now the national sports writers are calling for his head. Sure the Penguins are a bad team, but he is also a bad coach.
Exactly. Case in point. Karlsson scores 101 points for a horrible San Jose team, comes here and sucks the air out of the building. My guess is the coach, Mike Sullivan.
Dan, why do you think some Schmuck with an IPhone could see all the bad decisions and mistakes and FSG could not? This is what the logical end and unfortunately the preventable beginning of the end of Sullivan era looks like.
Too late. All that’s left is the Autopsy. FSG are horrible owners, more money than brains . Their asset value will rise in spite of their incompetence . It’s time for the tic toc beginning in 2018 .
Only winners are Mario Lemiuex and Tom McMillan . They left at just the right time.
Why should we as fans support what we’re currently seeing? Why should we invest our hard earned dollars on overpriced tickets, overpriced parking and overpriced concessions to go see this team get older, slower and fall apart before our very eyes? You hit the nail on the head, Dan. We as fans need to know what the heck is going on and just what the plan is if we are going to get behind it. Otherwise we’ll continue to stay home. As much as I love the Pens and want to continue to support them hardcore, this is the least… Read more »
The Pens suck. Plain and simple. DO SOMETHING!!!
Today’s pens abandon the Eddie Johnston rule of having a strong minor league system to push many of these overpaid players trading all these draft picks that they have over the last 10 years only got them Stanley cups the cupboard is bare and the player know so there is no urgency on their parts because they’re overpaid and they don’t care this team couldn’t win even with Bob Johnson or Scotty Bowman bad upper management moves over the last decade not looking ahead always looking behind looking for that one more season of greatness if there’s b l a… Read more »
How did the Pens ever think Dubas was the right guy to run their team? I’m a Toronto fan, and Dubas was a disaster. Saddled the Leafs with some of the worst contracts in team history. Built the softest Leafs team ever. What were you guys thinking? Dubas is the biggest problem with the Pens.