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By the 3 p.m. buzzer Friday, the Pittsburgh Penguins were not a fundamentally different team. Still, the cache of draft picks and potential is now overflowing general manager Kyle Dubas’s top drawer.



But the biggest question is: How does Dubas plan to build the Penguins–in what image or style will he construct the next Penguins’ era?

One could also ask if Dubas learned from his two fatal flaws with the Toronto Maple Leafs because, thus far, history seems to be repeating itself.

The current Penguins roster badly lacks a team identity and an adequate defense corps.

Dubas also badly struggled with goalies in Toronto, as he has in Pittsburgh, but that issue isn’t uncommon.

Departing from hockey orthodoxy, the GM built his Toronto teams around the forwards crew, bypassing the typical path of building from the back out. Remember, even the most recent championship Penguins were built from the back. Brooks Orpik, Ryan Whitney, even Rob Scuderi, and Marc-Andre Fleury preceded Evgeni Malkin and Sidney Crosby.

Former GM Craig Patrick also added free-agent defenseman Sergei Gonchar and drafted Kris Letang in 2005.

Conversely, Dubas’s Toronto teams were perennially top-heavy. They had more than enough talented forwards, and their big four are still the envy of the NHL. Not even the Edmonton Oilers can match the four-deep forwards at the top of that lineup.

But the team was always searching for itself. They lacked toughness on defense and upfront. At most trade deadlines, necessity forced Dubas to overspend on players such as Noel Acciari and Mark Giordano for grit and leadership. Still, it was never enough because it was just ancillary to the core.

If the games were played on paper, Dubas’s Toronto teams would have formed a dynasty. Instead, they relied on talent and were annually bounced from the playoffs like a Raptors’ practice ball.

The teams just weren’t constructed to win when it counts. After all, talent isn’t an identity. The Penguins also had to learn that lesson the hard way from 2010 to 2015.

Penguins Construction

So, two years into Dubas’s tenure and one year into his program to revamp the organization, what is the Penguins’ identity? In what mold is Dubas constructing the teams of the future?

Currently, the construction of his forwards crew is headed in the very wrong direction.

Dubas has acquired young, talented forwards who are perimeter players with a soft game. Cody Glass, Philip Tomasino, and now Tommy Novak fit that unfortunate description. They have offensive skills and positive advanced analytics but lack identity-building characteristics.

Novak has just 24 career hits in his first 203 games despite playing the first 201 games in a building that touts itself as “Smashville,” and official scorers aren’t stingy about awarding hits.

Friday, Dubas said that Novak has been on his priority list for a few years. Kevin Hayes and Danton Heinen are also part of the Dubas-assembled crew.

As more Dubas acquisitions arrive, the trend is clear. The Penguins seem to be constructed with an extra healthy dose of analytics. The players’ advanced stats show well, but the team’s record has continually worsened, and they are now next to last in the Eastern Conference.

Once again, if the games were played on paper, the Penguins would easily be a playoff team.

For example, the Penguins have the seventh-best Corsi (shot attempt ratio), the third-best expected goals-for percentage, and the 13th-best expected goals ratio. All stats from NaturalStatTrick.com.

Analytics surely aren’t a problem with this transitional Penguins roster, but there surely isn’t just a problem with their ability to finish; it is also their lack of physical contact and their general “tough to play against” mentality–things that aren’t measured on paper.

That is to say, while some leeway is proper, this current team has offensive talent but, to its almost extreme detriment, is soft.

Penguins Defense, Prospects

On the other side of the puck, the Penguins similarly lack a cohesive identity or defining characteristics. Worse, their defense corps is just inexcusably bad.

The defensemen’s lack of contact in battle areas is often noticeable. As a group, their turnovers, blown coverages, and occasional play that borders on inexplicable is sometimes jarring.

The occasional bad night is excusable, but the Penguins are the sum of their parts, and the assembled crew is each known for their weaknesses. It’s not like Karlsson’s defensive game is a surprise, or Graves’s stilted play wasn’t on tape for the Penguins scouts to see.

With the exception of Letang, Dubas exclusively acquired the blue line. And, no, it’s not the result of coach Mike Sullivan’s instruction or system.

Dubas is certainly not building the team from the back out.

In fairness, Owen Pickering and Harrison Brunicke are two good defensemen prospects who will arrive very soon, but with respect to those couple of promising players, both are complementary blueliners, and neither plays a physical game.

The Penguins forward prospects are a mixed bag. Ville Koivunen is a gritty type with scoring ability, and Rutger McGroarty is learning to adopt that style of game, too. Team Canada included 2024 second-round pick Tanner Howe on the 2025 World Juniors roster because he could be a greasy winger with some sandpaper. However, he’s still at least a couple of years away from NHL ice time, and his ceiling or projection at the pro game isn’t yet known.

In other words, it is unknown whether any of the Penguins’ prospects can ascend to the top-six forward ranks, and certainly not if they’ll become core players.

Dubas indeed has a near-ridiculous amount of draft picks to work with over the next three years (18 in the first three rounds, including four first-rounders). He’ll have an enormous amount of cap space (just over $26 million) to work with for next season, too.

But Dubas will need to use his massive cache of assets differently this time if he wants different results. Thus far, he has not shown a divergence from his previously unsuccessful path less traveled.

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Stanley Kupp
Stanley Kupp
9 days ago

Far too soon to say whether or not Dubas is headed down the wrong road.

George S
George S
9 days ago
Reply to  Stanley Kupp

Dubas has shown ZERO ability in finding ANY players who can actually score goals.

Eri
Eri
9 days ago
Reply to  George S

Tomasino was a nice pick-up and Hayes was a nice surprise. But overwhelmingly, Finishing, has been this 2024-25 Pens’ primary issue. I do disagree that they have to wait another season to be competitive (Not a lock for the Cup, but a return to the post-season). A few AHL/prospects hoping to the NHL, finding 2 mid pair D-men and 2 legit scorers in FA or through clever offseason trade(s) should give them something to build on.

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Eri
Eri
9 days ago
Reply to  Stanley Kupp

Past performance does not guarantee future results. It’s fair criticism, he has been in PIT for 2 years. Although his tenure in TOR was with an annual playoff contender and they didn’t have 87, 71 & 58 taking hometowne discounts which allowed GMJR to build a team that could challenge for the Cup. While the Core3 are not the issue, 2025 PIT is in a vastly different situation than KD oversaw in TOR. Here is to KD learning from past mistakes and getting lucky with a few minimum wage players !

EVLINC
EVLINC
9 days ago

WHHHHHHAAAAAAAA says the loser who has no NHL background

David Fridfors
David Fridfors
9 days ago
Reply to  Dan Kingerski

Dan, why waste your time replying to a childish comment like that?! Believe me, most of us appreciate your work. Just saying

EVLINC
EVLINC
9 days ago
Reply to  David Fridfors

mmmmmmmmmm MMMMMMMMMMM

EVLINC
EVLINC
9 days ago
Reply to  Dan Kingerski

working on the inside HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Tim S
Tim S
8 days ago
Reply to  EVLINC

Asshat

Stanley Kupp
Stanley Kupp
9 days ago
Reply to  Dan Kingerski

I guess one has to have played hockey at an NHL level to report on it effectively. Though I disagree with you from time to time I don’t question your knowledge of the NHL

SBrack
SBrack
8 days ago
Reply to  EVLINC

Well, that is certainly a comical response…..why would you follow a “loser” much less comment if you feel content is lacking…

George S
George S
9 days ago

Saying Dubas has built the team from the forward position is like saying Bob Nutting has assembled a great group of batters. The forwards STINK, plain and simple. No goal scorers besides the top line and Malkin (sometimes).

Jim Kulha
Jim Kulha
9 days ago

That being said who in upper management is Dubas accountable to? Let’s hope he learned from his past mistakes, the upcoming off season will reveal a lot.

Aaron
Aaron
9 days ago

So Dubas acquired Glass, Novak, Tomasino, Heinen, and Hayes: Glass: Acquired for Frasca (fringe AHLer) and received ’25 3rd, ’26 6th. Then flipped Glass/Gruden for Stillman (21), Graham (20) and a ’27 3rd. Novak: Bunting and ’26 4th for Novak/Schenn (flipped Schenn for ’26 2nd and ’27 4th). Tomasino: Gave up ’27 4th. Heinen: Gave up DOC/Pettersson, received ’25 1st, Desharnais (flipped for ’28 5th), and Fernstrom (19) Hayes: Received ’25 2nd. None of the guys traded away were superstars or long-term guys. Frasca won’t play in the NHL, Gruden has had chances, Glass was underwhelming, Schenn is old, Desharnais… Read more »

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Matt
Matt
9 days ago

Dan, sorry, would you please explain “from the back out”? Do you mean tighten up/build up the defense first? Thanks!

eric
eric
9 days ago
Reply to  Matt

Yes!

Matt
Matt
9 days ago
Reply to  eric

Thank you!

Matt
Matt
9 days ago
Reply to  Dan Kingerski

Thanks! In hindsight, I should have figured that out.

Christopher Castine
Christopher Castine
9 days ago

I dont know how you could possibily write this article right now. Makes no sense to do so yet. This team is not intended to be any type of finished product let alone the foundation of one. Just a bad comparison and useless analysis right now. Also Ryan Whitney was traded because he was softer than a teddy bear. He became a foward, which helped us win 3 times. Orpik also was allowed to walk away before we won two more – not with Scuderi but Trevor Daley and Justin Schultz – a couple of guys who were out of… Read more »

nathan
nathan
9 days ago

I think his problems in Toronto began with managment wanting John Tavares.
Spending so much on him, they could aford help on defense.

Sam
Sam
9 days ago

There’s glimmer of hope that it’s not all about analytics, that toughness and character are the seasonings needed to maximize the pot. Dubas remarked that Max Graham adds AND physicality, two attributes ” we don’t have a lot of throughout the system.” We’ll know if he embraces that concept by mid-July. First, there’s the draft where he’ll have 6 picks in rds 1 thru 3 to show us what he values. Then he has $25M or so to spend on FAs. If he brings back Grz, we’ll know he’s clueless. If he walks away and instead he brings in a… Read more »

Mel Reichenbaugh
Mel Reichenbaugh
8 days ago
Reply to  Sam

Gryz is Sully’s boy, he will be back and the defense will still be SOFT and suck again.

BrianX
BrianX
8 days ago

The Boston “mafia”.

Jon Stowitzky
Jon Stowitzky
9 days ago

So much emphasis is placed on analytics today. Instead of focusing on nerd stats, try watching an actual hockey game. They usually don’t lie as far as deciding someone is an actual player or a slug.

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eric
eric
9 days ago

It can all start with Jakob Chychrun!

Mel Reichenbaugh
Mel Reichenbaugh
8 days ago
Reply to  eric

Should have tried to get him for Karlsson last off season.

eric
eric
9 days ago

Oh and Btw, soft has been the example with the Penguins for several years. I Specifically remember when Brian Burke referred that the penguins roster needed more “Truculence”…..Physicality is not in the mindset of a 38 yo player. I can’t remember the last time Geno actually thru a bodycheck!

wesman33
wesman33
8 days ago
Reply to  eric

Bla bla bla bla

Jerry Chieffalo
Jerry Chieffalo
9 days ago

Those of us that didn’t expect this season to go the way it’s gone were just deaf and blind to what KD said what was in store for this season. This season was constructed to fail, similar words to what Subban said. This was the tear down year and they’d win a few games because of what the first line brought. He’s set himself up for progression the next two/three years. A skeptic initially, I’m now willing to give him the time. But better next season, much better in two. That’s my expectations. Anything less then I’m in the boat… Read more »

Sam
Sam
9 days ago
Reply to  Dan Kingerski

He has around $25M to spend for next year. Unless you have info saying he won’t spend it, I don’t understand your comment.

Brad
Brad
9 days ago
Reply to  Dan Kingerski

My thoughts are an attempted run in 2 years, last year of sids contract. I truly expect them the suck next year. They need the next one to replace sid. McKenna. I hope rangers fall apart and such next year too. Get and extra shot at the top pick in 26.

Eric
Eric
9 days ago
Reply to  Dan Kingerski

Dan, agreed! McTavich?any others you foresee?

KenNJ
KenNJ
9 days ago

He has a dual mandate with the Pen’s and as such is not remotely similar in comparison to Toronto.

Cal
Cal
9 days ago

Thanks for writing this one Dan, the comments are entertaining as hell!!
PS: Toughness? Maybe Jeannot and Frederick will fill the bill.

AW1818
AW1818
9 days ago

Really the first full year of a “rebuild” (12 months since the Jake trade) and we already have articles about Dubas going in the wrong direction. Will we get an article at the conclusion of Sullivan’s 3rd consecutive missed postseason, 7 years after his last Round 2 appearance? I look forward to it

Sam
Sam
9 days ago
Reply to  AW1818

Nope. That’s why he’s Teflon Mike. Nothing sticks but his sterling reputation of having led Sid, Geno, LeTang, and Flower…all in their prime…to 2 SC championships. No other coach could have accomplished that.

Aaron
Aaron
9 days ago
Reply to  Sam

It would be like, if over the next 8-10 years, Knoblauch and the Oilers win 2 cups and then are completely mediocre for the remaining years. The first year the Oilers miss the playoffs with McDavid/Draisatl is Knoblauch’s last year.

Steve
Steve
9 days ago
Reply to  Sam

You seem to forget that Sullivan’s predecessor with the same assets was fairing poorly. He wasn’t exploiting the Penguins assets of speed and scoring ability. Mike turned the Penguins around to win the Stanley Cup after being out of the playoffs in December and remembering that no team wanted to play the Pens.

Mel Reichenbaugh
Mel Reichenbaugh
8 days ago
Reply to  AW1818

Right on the money AW!!! Sutter in LA-2 Cups-GONE!!! Berube in St. Louis-1 MORE RECENT Cup-GONE!!! Cooper with his 2 Cups has kept TB in the playoffs every year and advancing past the first round here and there.

Jstripsky
Jstripsky
8 days ago

Tampa is now running into the Pens problems. No high draft picks and not much in their farm club. They keep going for it like the Pens did.

Aaron
Aaron
8 days ago
Reply to  Jstripsky

With a core of Vasilevsky, Kucherov, Point, Hagel, Hedman, and acquiring Guentzel, the Lightning will be contenders for more years to come. They also have Isaac Howard in the system and young guys currently in the league like Chaffee, Cirelli, Goncalves, and Moser.

Mel Reichenbaugh
Mel Reichenbaugh
7 days ago
Reply to  Aaron

Right, my point exactly, they continue to play young guys plenty of minutes instead of playing aged out empty sweaters like Nieto and Carter. Also Cooper and staff do NOT give guys like Harkins and Glass 50-60 game auditions when they are producing nothing!

Willy
Willy
9 days ago

I totally agree Dan. This team needs some grit and bangers (and no not polenta and Irish sausage) on defense and up front. Not enough meat and too much mashed potatoes.

King Penguin
King Penguin
9 days ago

Loud stick tap for Duby and his ability to stockpile draft picks and create salary cap space. His team is in a good place with an asterisk — now we’ll see whether he’s learned from the past. The reason this team doesn’t scored to its potential is the lack of physical presence in the corners and slot area. Still. That’s a nice way of saying, sign Sam Bennett, dammit!

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Rich81
Rich81
9 days ago

I completely agree—the biggest challenge is shedding those underperforming LTCs, most of which are on the backend. I also believe the remaining Nashville players will be gone by the end of next season, if not this summer. Here’s the reality: you can lock in 87, 71, and one of 17 or 67 (since one is likely getting moved), but you can’t keep clinging to the illusion of surrounding aging players with more aging players—it simply doesn’t work. That leaves three spots, potentially filled by a McGroarty, Kouvinen, a free agent, and, if they don’t mess it up by winning too… Read more »

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Tom DiPasquale
Tom DiPasquale
9 days ago

That about covers it………..

TRT1008
TRT1008
9 days ago

Normally I’m with you, but I’m really curious as to why you think Dubas is ignoring the back end? We finally have some decent D prospects- Pickering, Brunicke, Pieniniemi and in goal- Murashov. Rome wasn’t built in a day… let’s give the guy the benefit of the doubt and see how this offseason goes. He has a handful of decent draft picks to fill the coffers or use to get some more NHL ready young talent. In regards to grit- they can sign some grit when the time calls for it. Their pipeline was so devoid of talent and needs… Read more »

Jim
Jim
9 days ago

Dan – Great piece. I can see the parallel forming. Hopefully this gets resolved…

The hardest thing to find is players who can play tough and have talent. If he can do that, we have a bright future. If he finds talent without that edge, that’s where Toronto lies. Great regular season team. Toughness without skill, hope to make the playoffs being a wild card team at best, then hope for a hot goalie.

Jstripsky
Jstripsky
9 days ago

When Dubas acquired Karlsson, I questioned if his fatal flaw was wanting the brightest bauble available (like John Tavares) instead of finding the right pieces to push a team from good to great. Obviously you don’t want to not sign talented players, but you can’t chase them regardless of the cost if it means neglecting the team’s other needs. Input from the scouts, former players, and coaches should count for more than analytics. Maybe if you’re deciding between a few players who will provide something the team needs, using the analytics to help decide who to prioritize is a good… Read more »

Joshk
Joshk
9 days ago

If Dubas trades Karlsson this summer for some decent assets and clears another $ 8-10 million in space, I’m a fan. With all those extra picks and $30-40 million in space, the restocking can begin. And I’m fine starting with forwards, too, so that Sid can rack up as many points as possible during the rebuild.

Joshk
Joshk
9 days ago

Also, bottom 3 or 4 finish this year should be the priority at this point. We have to look at roster in place right now in that context.

Robert Shoemaker
Robert Shoemaker
9 days ago
Reply to  Joshk

I don’t think the team will get that low, unfortunately.

W Thome
W Thome
9 days ago

Good article Dan. You can tell by the amount of comments and the dichotomy of views. One thing that I think needs to be addressed, is the future of Gino and LeTang, not talking about trades but line positions and roles. First, both are aging, and are regressing physically, which is to be expected. I feel like it is an unrealistic and unfair expectation to have them fill their previous roles. If I was an upcoming talent that had some experience in the league and wanted to make a name for myself, I would never go there as long as… Read more »

MikeD
MikeD
9 days ago

Our defense is THE WORST in the Eastern Conference !….if we don’t start improving there, we’ll be in the same boat next year

Caleb
Caleb
9 days ago

Idk how you guys always find a way to take all the blame away from Sully but it’s pretty disappointing reading. He’s not fully to blame but you’d have to be either incompetent about hockey, blind, or intentionally ignorant, to not put a large sum of the blame at his feet. His job as head coach is to produce a winning team from the parts hes given. Every player except the core has been replaced, repeatedly, over and over, yet here we are 7 years later. It’s Rutherford fault, it’s hextalls fault, it’s Dubas fault, it’s this player or that… Read more »

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Mel Reichenbaugh
Mel Reichenbaugh
8 days ago
Reply to  Caleb

SPOT ON CALEB!!! FIRE SULLY!!!

Ray
Ray
8 days ago
Reply to  Caleb

I guess all the people who make the important decisions for the Pens are “incompetent about hockey, blind, or intentionally ignorant”. And let’s not forget about the leadership of USA Hockey who picked Sullivan to be the head coach of Team USA.

RJ
RJ
9 days ago

Interesting points but this story is a few years premature. KD is NOT managing the NHL roster to be a contender right now, he is managing it to stockpile assets.

Since he arrived, the cupboard has quickly gone from empty to overflowing.

That’s like step one in a five step process. Let’s get to step 3 or 4 before analyzing how the final product might look.

If the roster is of similar construction in 3-5 years, dust off the story and run it again then.

PensNorth
PensNorth
7 days ago
Reply to  RJ

When Dubas arrived it seemed that he said he was looking at three big tasks. 1. Get the front office into this century. He has hired a bunch of people with reputations for being smart hockey folks (Wes Clark and Jason Spezza types) and some out of the box different hockey thinkers (Vukie Mpofu and Amanda Kessell) and appears to be letting them do their thing. When Dubas left Toronto the story that didn’t get much ink was that the front office staff had nothing but over-the-top praise for his leadership. He clearly builds strong management teams. 2 Fix the… Read more »

Chalkdust
Chalkdust
9 days ago

Task, tsk Dan. That’s the best you can do as a recap of all the moves Dubas has made. Reaching back to past history. As Stanley said, “Far too soon to judge”.

Steve
Steve
9 days ago

I think Kyle will use some of the draft picks and cap space to acquire some talent that is ready to
play. And if they finish the year in the bottom 5, they may fetch a player ready to play. If the Rangers finish in the bottom 13 this year, the Pens could have two top 5 players next year if the Rangers continue to plummet. So I think we have a chance to make hay in the next two years.

Pat
Pat
8 days ago

I went in to this read looking to disagree – but you’re dead right. He’s got a good eye for offensive talent but that blue line is a disaster and goaltending and team toughness is also a problem that needs fixed – in a hurry

Pete
Pete
8 days ago

“And, no, it’s not the result of coach Mike Sullivan’s instruction or system.”

LMAO. No. Sully is brilliant. Not any coach can
lose for 7 years in a row! Keep Sully, keep losing!

Katzwasrightallalong
Katzwasrightallalong
8 days ago

Thank you, late but finally. And…… you’re welcome . How much confidence do you have that Dubas/ Sullivan will utilize the nice inventory of Draft assets well? I have little. But I’ll watch as always and hope .

Michael Morris
Michael Morris
8 days ago

Dubas may just be the Robert McNamara of hockey

Chester Gist Jr
Chester Gist Jr
8 days ago

Look, this guy has been here for 2 years with 0 results. Best formula was Craig Patrick’s then Ray Shero’s until the Jerome Iginla debacle. I will not be satisfied with him as long as the Best he can do is TRADE for draft picks. How about REALLY SCOUT young players and give them the tools to succeed

Jeremy
Jeremy
8 days ago

You’re not wrong. The team has lacked finishing and toughness for about 5 years. Sid and Geno and Tanger are physically and mentally tough. But the team doesn’t stick up for each other. I absolutely hated it that we let Jake Guentzel get assaulted and injured, nobody went to bat for him, and his last games as a Penguin were on IR. It’s absolutely infuriating that a tiny guy with that much heart didn’t have guys backing him up or making the other team pay a price for liberties. I’ll say the jury is out on Dubas- but his signing… Read more »

Last edited 8 days ago by Jeremy

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