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Is Mike Sullivan the Right Coach to Lead This Team?

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Twenty-two men have coached the Pittsburgh Penguins since they entered the National Hockey League in 1967.

Mike Sullivan has won more games than any of the others.

Four men — two of them absolute legends — have led this team to Stanley Cups.

Mike Sullivan is the only one to do it twice.

Clearly, Sullivan has left an indelible mark on the franchise since he replaced Mike Johnston — remember him? — as coach in mid-December, 2015.

And now, Kyle Dubas, the Penguins’ president of hockey operations and general manager, has to decide whether to give Sullivan another unique niche in team annals by making him its first coach to lose his position before his contract even starts.

In 2022, Sullivan accepted a three-year deal believed to be worth $5.5 million annually that is scheduled to take effect after this season.

The question is not whether Sullivan is a good coach — he’s widely regarded as one of the best in the NHL — but whether he is the right coach for this team, at this time.

Dubas, it must be noted, has been nothing but ultra-supportive of Sullivan since he began overseeing the franchise’s on-ice operation nearly a year ago. Any public mention of Sullivan is sure to include lavish praise and expressions of respect for his work.

(It also merits mention that Dubas rarely speaks publicly and limits his professional interactions with members of the print media — the people who, in general, would be most likely to press him on matters he might not care to discuss — to an occasional press conference.)

Sullivan also seems to be held in particularly high regard by the decision-makers at Fenway Sports Group, and having the backing of ownership can only be a plus when someone’s future is being assessed.

None of that is surprising, given the obvious breadth and depth of Sullivan’s coaching acumen, and the things he has accomplished since then-GM Jim Rutherford promoted him from the Penguins’ farm team in Wilkes-Barre.

At the same time, he has become a polarizing figure among the Penguins’ fan base. Detractors, as well as supporters, abound.

Critics — and there is a growing number of them — point out that the Penguins not only have missed the playoffs for two years in a row, but have not won a series since 2018, despite having a lineup built around the likes of Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Kris Letang and Jake Guentzel, among others.

While the opinions of people outside the organization are not — and should not be — decisive when critical personnel decisions are being contemplated, neither is it good business to simply ignore the feelings of those whose sponsorship and season-ticket dollars help to keep the operation running.

In the closing weeks of this season, the Penguins showed that they still can respond to Sullivan’s coaching. The 8-1-3 run they’ll take into their regular-season finale on Long Island Wednesday night reflects not only the on-ice instruction they’ve received, but the preparation they were given.

Of course, that late-season surge makes it fair to ask why it took so long for Sullivan’s players to respond that way.

Although it was fair to anticipate that, after the significant roster churn last summer, some time would be needed for the newcomers to get comfortable with their new teammates and systems, that doesn’t explain why the Penguins have been prone to squandering leads, especially late in games, and to regularly having costly, momentum-killing letdowns after scoring a goal for most of this season.

While the onus for things like those absolutely falls on the players, part of a coach’s job description is to keep the guys he’s sending over the boards focused and motivated. Far too often in 2023-24, the Penguins did not appear to be.

For whatever reason, coaches in the NHL tend to have roughly the same shelf life as raw milk. Sullivan has lasted much longer than most — Tampa Bay’s Jon Cooper is the only one who’s been in his current position longer than Sullivan — but when Dubas is charting the franchise’s future course, one of many issues he’ll have to consider is whether a new voice is needed in the locker room.

Among other things, he’ll have to think about whether he could bring in someone who would be more effective at consistently bringing out the best in his personnel than Sullivan was this season.

Making a change solely for the sake of making a change would be foolish and counterproductive. At best.

At the same time, if Dubas’ offseason plans call for major roster upheaval, that might be an opportune time to also bring in a coach with a fresh message and methods and perspective.

There’s no question Mike Sullivan has earned a prominent place in franchise history. Whether he’s earned the opportunity to add to what he has achieved — and to do it under a contract that hasn’t kicked in yet — is one of the most critical determinations Dubas will make in the coming weeks and months.

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Aaron Hermann
Aaron Hermann
13 days ago

In a word, no.

Jerry C
Jerry C
13 days ago

If they decide to retain him, which I hope they don’t, then the very least they must do is rid themselves of the worthless assistants.

AW1818
AW1818
13 days ago

He, along with Sid, Letang, and Malkin are the only ones left from 2017. The roster is different. The assistant coaches are different. The ownership is different. The GM is different, again. He is the only thing, aside from the “core three”, that remains the same. It’s been 6 years since the 2nd round and 2 since the postseason at all. What more do they need to change before they finally let him go? Who cares who he’s replaced with? It could’ve been a lot of right people over the years. Washington knocked them out last night with a rookie… Read more »

Vittorio
Vittorio
13 days ago
Reply to  AW1818

And there in lies the problem. There are very very very few coaches out there that could succeed with the Penguins. Name me 3 coaches you believe can get the attention of 4 HOF’s along with the rest of the team. In fact why doesn’t everyone do that. Since so many folks believe a new voice is needed why doesn’t everyone here on a regular basis do that?

AW1818
AW1818
13 days ago
Reply to  Vittorio

It’s the same argument every year, yet 30 coaches have been replaced since I started hearing it. How’s Roy doing with NYI? How’s Laviolette doing with NYR? How’s Tocchet doing with Vancouver? I’ll do you one better- find me 3 coaches that could not see the 2nd round in 6 years, miss the playoffs for 2 straight years (while Sid plays 82 games both years), and still be comfortable in their job. I’ll even make it easier: find me one outside of Mike Sullivan

Vittorio Di Stazio Jr
Vittorio Di Stazio Jr
12 days ago
Reply to  AW1818

Yet with all those coaches you named how many have 4 HOF’s on there roster? Roy hasn’t been coach for a full season and he to will fail it’s just how it is with HOF Players. Tocchet like Roy has nobody that is on the level of Sid and Geno and you know that. Yes Sully has struggled I don’t deny that but unlike you and others I’m not giving up on Sully and you can say what you want but the one thing you can’t question is one’s beleif.

howard
howard
12 days ago

Dude you make no sense, give it up.

Mark
Mark
12 days ago

Thanks you, Vittorio , for proving that Sullivan should go. If he has had that much better level of talent and has failed miserably he should not be coaching this team.

Vittorio Di Stazio Jr
Vittorio Di Stazio Jr
12 days ago
Reply to  Mark

I doubt it Fans think that any coach can succeed with the Talent the Pens have ha if that were true Mike Johnston would still be here but he’s not I wonder why? I have a hard time naming coaches that would succeed with Crosby, Malkin, Letang and EK as no other team has anything close to those 4 guys. Not Edmonton, Not Boston, Not Toronto, not any team has players that are even close to the level these guys are at and No I’m not exaggerating, I am just speaking the truth.

Eric
Eric
12 days ago
Reply to  Vittorio

Right on. Malkin is not easy to coach. No one really acknowledges that. Do you really believe Sullivan tells him to make blind backhand passes at the blue line they get picked off and transition the other way? Do you really believe that Sullivan tells them not to shoot on the power-play a lot of this is individual player choices and not on the coach. Look, I have criticisms of Sullivan, but I don’t think he is the majority of the problem on ice leader ship is really lacking. Gino needs to play hard every game or he needs to… Read more »

Mark
Mark
12 days ago
Reply to  Eric

Its on the coach to instruct (coach) the players and get the most out of them. That may mean making them ride the pine; Sullivan has been a weak coach and had not demanded accountability from his players. This does not excuse the players, but Sullivan did not do his job as coach.

Pete
Pete
12 days ago
Reply to  Mark

Exactly right. The FACT that none of the veteran guys EVER lose ice time or get scratched for bone headed stupid play is exactly why Sully needs to go.

Uros
Uros
12 days ago
Reply to  AW1818

Let me repeat here. The ref blowing a play dead on a puck that was in the air and ended up in Caps net, disallowing the goal, does not mean good coaching. It’s luck. But you clearly haven’t watched yeaterday or any other Caps games. I can only advise you to turn on your TV once the playoffs begin and see your rookie coach in action. It won’t be pretty, but at least you’ll know.

412Forever
412Forever
13 days ago

Dubas thinks it’s the players, not the coach. The more player overhaul, the more reason in his mind to keep Sully.

Mary
Mary
13 days ago

I honestly believe it’s time to start over with the coaching staff including Sullivan. He doesn’t make the team practice 3 on 3. He’s set in his way. Definite changes need to be made. With the caliber of this team, not acceptable

Joe S.
Joe S.
13 days ago

I love the 5v5, really like the penalty kill, but am flustered by the power play. Its been putrid these past couple of years, but even before that it never seemed like it was getting the best out of the unit. Sullivan’s a great coach and the players play hard for him, but that PP needs to be fixed or he needs to go. Zone entries are terrible, they give up too many SH chances, and once in the zone movement of the puck is predictable and slow. Not sure if a new assistant coach or specialist can fix it,… Read more »

Mark fields
Mark fields
13 days ago
Reply to  Joe S.

I agree with most of what you said. I tend to feel roster construction more the issue than the core or the head coach. Cooper has been with one team longer. Tampa has done a good job creating a good compliment of players in the past. I think we’ve failed there.
I think if PP was middle of the pack things would be different. And from what I gather that’s been reirden. Under his watch the PP has gotten worse every year. Let’s replace the assistants.

Chris R
Chris R
13 days ago

Just putting this out there: The roster was deeply flawed, thanks to Hextall’s shenanigans. Dubas did his best to course correct within some very tight parameters. The decision-making behind most of his choices was solid, even the ones that didn’t pan out (or haven’t yet). The Penguins have been burned for a number of years by bad moves and a lack of prospects for mitigating them. They’ve also had a lot of turnover. When your bottom lines are that weak and your roster is prone to injury, it’s hard to build momentum. If you can’t trust that your hard work… Read more »

JoJo
JoJo
13 days ago

short answer: No.

long answer: F*cking No.

KenNJ
KenNJ
13 days ago

It’s a fair question to write about. But it’s kinda a silly article because the real issue to write about is he the right coach for the future team (2-3 years out). Of course he is the right coach for this team – a team in transition, with a mandate to compete with the Core and the flawed 3 of them not to get into the lack of talent options in many areas. Ask Lars Eller about MS – he knows what’s wrong with the Penquins.

Jstripsky
Jstripsky
13 days ago

If the players don’t listen to the coach, it doesn’t matter who is there. What caused the amazing late season run? Did Sullivan make some fabulous changes or was it the players who finally decided to play with desperation as a last ditch effort to make the playoffs? It gives hope that the team could make the playoffs and possibly a decent run IF they play that way the whole season, but will that happen? I’m not sure if Sullivan and other coaches come back next year, but if they do, the items mentioned in the article really need to… Read more »

Jeff Young
Jeff Young
13 days ago
Reply to  Jstripsky

Gotta be the latter (players).

Mgiobbe
Mgiobbe
13 days ago

It’s time for Sully to go. So many years without playoff success. 4 hall of famers on the PP, and they can’t score. Horrific blown leads. It’s so obvious they need change. As an old coach once said “you are what your record says you are”.

Sam
Sam
13 days ago

No. Teflon Mike is not the leader behind the bench this team needs. The core (Sid, Geno, LeTang, Karlsson) don’t listen to Teflon Mike. They do what they want to do b/c they are future HOFers. When EK pinches into the O-zone with 8 minutes to go and the Pens sitting on a 2 goal lead and the result is a 2 on 1 going the other direction, he should ride the pine for the rest of the game, not take his next regular shift. Teflon Mike doesn’t lead that way, players who don’t play the way he wants them… Read more »

Pete
Pete
12 days ago
Reply to  Sam

Exactly!

rhodepop
rhodepop
13 days ago

Sully needs to pursue other opportunities and there will be some very good ones available. This organization cannot afford a one-and-done or no-playoff season, yet here we are six years removed from that Caps loss in the 2nd period. To put his record in perspective, he has been a head coach for 11 years in the NHL. He won 2 Cups! He lost once in the 2nd round. And has lost in the First Round 5 times and not made the playoffs 3 times. Once upon a time, “making the playoffs” was a lofty goal for the Pens (think Syl… Read more »

Stephen Powanda
Stephen Powanda
13 days ago

Sullivan has to go or expect more of the same. Things will not change with Sullivan in charge. We need a new message going to these athletes. Most are old, slow, and not physical. Dubas I hope you are not going to wait until your looking at empty seats!

Steve
Steve
13 days ago

This is a fair question to ask. I kind if lean toward Dubas’s statement that if you dont have a coach like Sully, you want one. I suspect Reirden will be fired. Can’t justify/explain/overlook the PP struggles. Maybe Vellucci looks to be a head coach again in the AHL (he’s also been in the running for NHL head jobs). So, would we be okay with someone like Vellucci getting the job at this point? If Sullivan is let go (or traded?), who’s next? I am asking that honestly of the many who want Sullivan to go. If not Sully, who?… Read more »

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AW1818
AW1818
13 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Literally anyone else. Name someone. Name anyone. That’s the guy. What’s a new coach going to do? Miss the playoffs? Have the worst power play in the league? Waste one of the few remaining years of Sid? It cannot get worse and they’ve changed absolutely everything else in the last 7 years. Why not fire him? What’s he doing right now that’s so irreplaceable that nobody else can do it?

Steve
Steve
13 days ago
Reply to  AW1818

That’s a pathetic answer. Literally anyone else? You want to fire a well-respected coach for literally anyone else? Geez. Would you do that in your own business?

AW1818
AW1818
13 days ago
Reply to  Steve

If I’ve changed absolutely everything around the underperforming employee and he’s still failing at his job with abysmal KPIs, yes I would fire him. Guess what I’d do next? Much like the Islanders, I’d hire someone else. I might even hire someone new, like the Capitals. You remember the capitals, right? That’s the team with the rookie coach that just sent Mike Sullivan to the golf course early for the 2nd year in a row. Can’t find anyone else, though! Don’t forget to cast your Jack Adams vote for Rick Tocchet

Steve
Steve
13 days ago
Reply to  AW1818

Tocchet is in an ideal situation in Vancouver. How did he do in Phoenix? The Islanders didn’t exactly go on a tear into the playoffs. I don’t think Roy and his personality would jive with a Crosby led team. So you want to change the coach, like I said below in a different post, who you going to trust with the final years of Sidney Crosby’s career? Caps have a -37 goal differential. Not exactly stellar, though they made it in somehow. I just don’t get the fire Sullivan and hire anyone to take over. This team can’t just be… Read more »

AW1818
AW1818
13 days ago
Reply to  Steve

And I don’t understand the necessity to keep a coach around that hasn’t won a series in over 2000 days or sniffed the postseason in 164 games when they’ve exhausted every other possible change beforehand. It’s not working anymore. It hasn’t for awhile. It doesn’t matter who he’s replaced with. Should LA still have Sutter employed just because he had success a decade ago? If you have a leaky valve, you replace it with a new one. You don’t worry that the new one might leak, because the one you have is currently leaking. It can’t get worse. And if… Read more »

Steve
Steve
12 days ago
Reply to  AW1818

The Kings fired Sutter in 2017. They have had four couches since then. Is that better? It isn’t a matter if Sullivan should be scrutinized, criticized, and, possibly, even fired. But if you have a team—specifically this team—who are you bringing in to replace him? I get why Dan won’t name possible replacements. But for the fans clamoring for anyone else to coach this team, who do you think is better equipped to coach this team? That’s where this argument runs aground for me. When Bob Johnson died, the Pens didn’t hire just anyone. Then when Bowman left, they had… Read more »

Jeff Young
Jeff Young
12 days ago
Reply to  Steve

I have to think that if anyone here had that level of expertise, we wouldn’t be here. Heh.

Jeff Young
Jeff Young
12 days ago
Reply to  Steve

<Checks to see where WSH finished in the wild card race with that -37 goal differential. Double-checks where the Penguins finished.>

Mark
Mark
12 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Question. Where did Sullivan come from when he became the Penguins head coach?

Pete
Pete
12 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Do you even watch hockey. Islanders have won 8 of 9. Nobody is hotter going into playoffs!

Mark
Mark
12 days ago
Reply to  Steve

If someone is running your business into the ground you look for a replacement no matter how “respected” or “liked” the person is. Its “just” business.

Aaron
Aaron
13 days ago

Sullivan was gifted talented rosters during the 16 and 17 Stanley Cup wins. Since then, the Penguins have 12 playoff wins (and one playoff series win) in 7 years. He won 2 cups in his first 18 months in charge. BUT SO DID MATT MURRAY and look where he is now. It’s time to get rid of Sullivan, his message is stale, obviously not being received, and the mediocrity will only continue with him at the helm.

Norman Sunday
Norman Sunday
13 days ago

Should Sullivan go? Yes and no. He should go for not adjusting to the players he has through a system change. No, if he can adjust and motivate. Why throughout the year is it the same problems? PP is horrible, blown 2 goal leads, turnovers and failure to shoot and shoot some more? Lest I forget, he evaluation of goalies is horrible. Do Jarry and Murray come to mind while letting Fleury be picked in the expansion draft? Don’t harp on Jarry’s 6 shutout games, look at his record and inability to steal a game. What happens next year will… Read more »

Stanley Kupp
Stanley Kupp
13 days ago

In a word, yes, but I’ll continue. The difference between the teams that made Cup runs and those of the last few years has been the precipitous decline in the talent/scoring on the third and fourth lines. Fix that somehow over the summer and they can make the playoffs. and make a deep run in the conference.

Cal
Cal
13 days ago

Plenty of opinions on Sully, it’s great to share them. I ask, what has Sully done that makes him so perceived great by so many fans? If this was 16-17 years, heck ya he brought in speed…it worked! Putting that aside, I don’t get the hype. Sure the team’s 5 on 5 is good, is it great? Most of the other important parts of the game are poor, does that make him great? This is what I see, it’s not working, fix it.

Steve
Steve
13 days ago
Reply to  Cal

Fix it how? Who do you bring in to coach this team? You going to trust a championship caliber AHL head coach (like Vellucci) or college coach with the final years of Sidney Crosby’s career? If you move on from Sullivan, with the locker room as currently constructed, I would think they would need someone that commands respect based on a resume and track record of success at the NHL level. It cannot just be an X and O guy (see Johnston, Mike) or literally anyone else. How many people are out there like that who aren’t currently coaching or… Read more »

Crazyhorse87
Crazyhorse87
13 days ago

It felt like no coach or goaltender could help this team at times, it seemed like the team were in shambles after Rutherford left. Hextall could only do whatever he could, well, it didn’t get better. Dubas can only do what he was dealt with as well, he did add a spark for sure in Bunting. You never know what you are going to get in certain players. There are some you think are a fit, aren’t, there are some whom are a fit that you least expected. It’s always a coin toss, you never really know who can be… Read more »

Christopher Castine
Christopher Castine
13 days ago

Dubas has a bi weekly show doesnt he? Rarely speaks publicly what??

Knobman
Knobman
12 days ago

Frank Seravalli said on Spittin Chiclets yesterday that he thinks Sullivan is ranked as the second highest NHL coach with having power and control within an organization. Does this mean that he is safe?

Mark
Mark
12 days ago
Reply to  Knobman

That just confirms that Sullivan was involved in every personnel move that Hextall and Dubas made from resignings and extensions to trades made. Probably Sullivan was against any Guetzel move which may be part of the reason it took so long to pull the trigger.

Matthew Caddy
Matthew Caddy
12 days ago

I think they need to fire Todd Reirden for sure and maybe all the assistant coaches. Then they need to give Sully a younger, faster roster to see if his system still works. That’s the only way to know for sure. Otherwise if they stick with the older veterans they might as well fire him because his system will not work. I think that’s been proven from 2018 to present day ad nauseum.

Erik
Erik
12 days ago

with all of the over 35’s on the roster, it really doesn’t matter who the coach is. if the pens missed the playoffs when their stars are 36 and 37, it isn’t going to get magically fixed when they are 37,38 next year

Jeff Young
Jeff Young
12 days ago
Reply to  Erik

…and “four more years” of BJC…?

Uros
Uros
12 days ago

Well, this can only be answered with a question. Who pit this roster together? Was Dubas only a pawn granting Sully’s wishes? Who is responsible for Graves, and some others, playing all those games? Who signed Graves through 2029? If the answer to all this is Sullivan, fire him. I just don’t understand that the entire arena was chanting “Fire Hextall”, while now some of you are saying it’s all on the coach. If it is so, we could’ve kept Hextall and Sully would bring his magic. Hey, if it’s all on Sully, hire me as a GM. Whatever I… Read more »

howard
howard
12 days ago

In two words, No no.

Brian X
Brian X
12 days ago

My issue with Sullivan is that he will continue to follow his formula despite indications it is failing. The reason for success at the end of the season was due to a virus and injuries that necessitated changes. Once he saw it was working, he didn’t mess with it, but he didn’t initiate the success, it fell in his lap.

rico
rico
12 days ago

“Strategy requires thought; tactics requires observation.” Max Euwe Remember that FGMJR brought Phil in to be Crosby’s winger. Sullivan put him on the third line with Bonino & Hagelin. GMKD swapped Guentzel for Bunting. Sullivan put Bunting with Malkin. GMKB signed Jarry for 5 years. Sullivan rolled with Nedelkovic. Someone has to pay for the PP. it should be a GM for trading Hornqvist without replacing him, but at this point, it should be Rierden. Sullivan has done the best with what he has to work with. GMKD did yeoman’s work last offseason cleaning up the steaming pile of crap left… Read more »

mkvons
mkvons
12 days ago

I have been arguing for months that Sullivan should be let go. But did anyone notice that things turned around when Bunting came in as the new Hornqvist and the youngsters were given a chance? The rap on Sully is that he likes veterans. But those Cup wins were because a bunch of WB players (e.g., Rust, Guentzel) came up to help and they grew into their roles. Mixing in young players who respond to Sullivan’s instruction was a key factor here in the turn around. I have seen many comments that the veterans are going to be there to… Read more »

Pete
Pete
12 days ago

Its simple. Keep Sully keep losing! Six years of losing is ENOUGH!

Brian X
Brian X
11 days ago

I wonder what it would cost to get Rod Brind’Amour? Don’t wake me.

Last edited 11 days ago by Brian X