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Will Penguins Flip Schenn? ‘Insiders’ Think Dubas ‘Gauging Market’

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The intrigue deepened Thursday morning as the TSN insiders cast the Pittsburgh Penguins trade involving Luke Schenn as a potentially temporary relationship.



As the NHL trade deadline at Friday 3 p.m. ET approaches, the Penguins may or may not hold onto the 35-year-old right-handed defenseman.

Schenn was part of the Penguins’ bigger trade Wednesday evening as the team traded Michael Bunting to the Nashville Predators for Schenn and 27-year-old center Tommy Novak. The move immediately raised eyebrows as Schenn would appear to be a poor fit for a team transitioning to rebuilding.

Would the Penguins immediately flip Schenn?

Read More: ‘We Are Positioned Well’: Dubas Answers Penguins Trade Questions

In an email Wednesday night, Penguins general manager Kyle Dubas strongly implied the team would keep him.

“…We feel that Luke’s defensive play, character, leadership, toughness, and spirit are what we need here to help push our program through this phase and preserve our culture and standards as we work to return to contention,” Dubas wrote to Pittsburgh media, including Pittsburgh Hockey Now.

The Novak portion of the trade was easy to understand, as the Penguins have been shopping for younger players. Acquiring a center gives both Dubas and coach Mike Sullivan more roster flexibility than a Cirque du Soleil performer.

However, it would seem the Penguins are wasting a valuable trade chip by keeping Schenn when the locker room already has leaders such as Sidney Crosby, Bryan Rust, Kris Letang, Kevin Hayes, and more.

On the TSN Insiders segment, Chris Johnston and Darren Dreger sided with Dubas potentially—though not necessarily—moving Schenn. Johnston believes Dubas is testing the waters to see what Schenn is worth.

“Two sellers doing business doesn’t seem to make sense at the deadline, but in this case, I do think Pittsburgh will at least listen and gauge the market on Luke Schenn,” Johnston said on the Canadian sports network.

“They’ve got to get a sense of what he could get, but I’ll tell you this, (if) you look at Trade Bait, (there’s) not a lot of defensemen on there. So, I think if the offers are strong, we see him flipped in the next couple of days.”

On the TSN board, there are five RHDs, including the Philadelphia Flyers’ Rasmus Ristolainen, who carries a high price tag that includes a first-round pick, and Chicago Blackhawks defender Connor Murphy.

In 2023, as the GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs, Dubas acquired Schenn from the Vancouver Canucks for only a third-round pick. However, the market scarcity of Schenn’s increasingly rare skill set (a tough, stay-at-home right-handed defenseman) combined with a very affordable $2.75 million cap hit should increase his 2025 price tag.

Schenn did dish out an astounding 318 hits in the 2022-23 season split between Vancouver and Toronto.

In fact, in February, Jonas Siegel of The Athletic wrote that Schenn, who was the Maple Leafs’ first-round selection in 2008 (fifth overall), should be the Toronto Maple Leafs’ top trade target.

So, Dubas, the former Maple Leafs GM who left in an acrimonious split with president Brendan Shanahan, now has something the Maple Leafs badly need. Of course, Toronto has a few young assets that the Penguins would surely like to acquire, too.

The Maple Leafs currently possess several young forwards whose talent should be quite tantalizing to a team desperately scouring the hockey universe for players under 30 who could contribute in meaningful ways. The list of Toronto’s youngsters includes 2023 first-round pick Easton Cowan (28th overall), who nearly made the team out of training camp before being returned to the London Knights of the OHL. Fraser Minton, 20, has played 15 NHL games this season with two goals and two assists.

And, of course, Nick Robertson. All three have been floated as potential trade bait in the right deal.

Minton and Cowan were selected by Wes Clark, the current Penguins vice president of player development, who was the Maple Leafs’ director of player personnel at the time.

Could the two sides find common ground if it involved some combination of draft picks, a good young player, and Schenn?

Could any team find the right price for Schenn?

There’s ample evidence Dubas’s words about keeping Schenn should be taken at face value. As a precursor, the Penguins dealt Vincent Desharnais to the San Jose Sharks to clear a lineup spot for Schenn. Also, it might not be the best look to reverse course so quickly and after such strong words.

After the trades Wednesday, the Penguins have 27 draft picks over the next three drafts, including four first-round picks and 15 within the top three rounds.

It would seem an odd part of a trade to acquire a 35-year-old defenseman who improves the team. After all, Dubas failed to make an acquisition to salvage last season or fortify the roster when it was in playoff contention earlier this season.

The clock is ticking.

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Tim Curtis
Tim Curtis
13 days ago

I sense an upcoming deal with Toronto!

Sam
Sam
13 days ago

KD acquired Schenn in TOR. I’m sure if he is overwhelmed with an offer, he would trade LS. Schenn is the truculence this team has lacked since Orpik left. Now the Pens have 10 Dmen with NHL action. EK, LeTang, Schenn, and St Ivany on the right. Gryz, Graves, VK, POJ, Pickering, anjd Shea on the left. My money is on Gryz being moved at 100%, and EK being moved at 50/50. That would leave us with 8 total. Don’t forget, KD might also bring in a Dman via trade.

Rob
Rob
13 days ago
Reply to  Sam

Dumoulin just traded for a 2025 2nd and a prospect. Should bode well for what the Pens could get for Gryz. and others. Prices are high, hope KD can capitalize on this opportunity!

Last edited 13 days ago by Rob
Sam
Sam
13 days ago

Amazes me that ppl think Schenn will get flipped 2 days after being acquired. Any team that had an interest in Schenn had their chance to do so this week. They passed, or their offer fell short of the Pens’ offer. So now they are going to blow the doors off KD for the guy they could’ve gotten yesterday for a lower offer? Makes no sense.

Rob
Rob
13 days ago
Reply to  Sam

Did you forget Desharnais already…?

Last edited 13 days ago by Rob
AnthonyB
AnthonyB
13 days ago
Reply to  Rob

Hopefully

JoshK
JoshK
13 days ago

very good analysis. the toronto connections make the flip far more plausible. i am still hoping instead that this move opened up roster flexibility and resultant financial space for an EK65 trade with retention. Give us a 1rst, a prospect and a bottom end roster guy, we give you EK65 and keep $2 million for next 2 years. Please?!

AnthonyB
AnthonyB
13 days ago

It’s a great move. Give the defense what it badly needs or make Toronto pay up.

Sam
Sam
13 days ago

EK to Kings would make sense. 29th PP with only a 14.6% conversion rate. That won’t work in the playoffs when WPG is @ 33.3%, LVK at 28%, Edmonton at 25%.

Mark
Mark
13 days ago

Schenn might be next year’s bodyguard when more kids fill out the lineup

David
David
13 days ago
Reply to  Mark

Or/and a good example for the prospects and young kids to learn from. If you want that brand of defense, example is a great teacher.

Crazyhorse87
Crazyhorse87
12 days ago

Pretty good, send out 8.5 million, return 6.25 million in the two trades, a 5th round pick to drop 4 million, good one.

Eric
Eric
12 days ago

The acquisition of schenn makes no sense unless he is flipped at the deadline or over the summer. It sounds like a sellers market but my guess is he’s worth a 3rd, maybe a 2nd if a team is desperate enough. If they get a couple picks for him could they turn around and attach those to a Ryan graves trade?

Travis
Travis
12 days ago
Reply to  Eric

I see the value in Schenn as a defensive first mentor for our youth movement but also like this suggestion. Anything that get Graves out of town would welcome!

Rich81
Rich81
12 days ago

I hope somehow we are in a deal with the Sabres

Agent Zero
Agent Zero
12 days ago

Well I think the market was set with Brock Nelson traded to the Avs for a really nice package.Let’s see what the “Boy Genius” can get for Rackell..My thought are he isn’t going to do crap.Maybe unload a Beauvelier and Grizz…But doubtful a blockbuster comes along..Hope I’m wrong and he can get a better haul than what Nelson fetched and hope he can get a taker for Karlsson too.That would make my day

Last edited 12 days ago by Agent Zero

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