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Perhaps we were spoiled by former Pittsburgh Penguins general manager Jim Rutherford, who was a horsetrader with a black belt degree. Deals could come together in a week. Maybe older fans (and analysts, ahem) were spoiled by the swashbuckling Craig Patrick style; trades or moves would be swift, and sometimes many, trying to change his team.

Where do the Penguins go from here? The Stanley Cup Final is perhaps over on Saturday, which will unleash the first buyout window early next week. While it would be an M. Knight Shyamalan-worthy twist if Penguins president of hockey operations/GM Kyle Dubas bought out any of his veterans, it’s worth watching.

Buying out Ryan Graves would put the defenseman on the books for 10 years. The thought is staggering, even if it’s for less than a million per year.

Side note: The NHL buyout rules should have options and compliance buyouts. In Graves’s case, he’d get one-third of his total, so why shouldn’t a team be able to swallow that over the remaining term or in one year, and the player get on with his career elsewhere but a good bit richer?

A buyout in the first window seems unlikely. The only real candidate would be Reilly Smith, and he figures to at least have a little bit of trade value.

A second window could open later this summer if either P.O. Joseph or Emil Bemstrom is qualified and files for arbitration.

We certainly made some waves by advocating Dubas be the manager who takes a reclamation chance on Patrik Laine, who needs a fresh start after a rough few years in Columbus. He’s only 26 and has been through hell and back. We’ve also outlined bad contracts around the league who might be trade fodder for Graves and, more importantly, able to help the Penguins.

However, Dubas’s methodical, tight-to-the-vest approach is far more similar to former GM Ron Hextall than Rutherford or even Ray Shero.

Dubas’s stated goal is to acquire draft picks and young players, while Sidney Crosby is around to mentor them. However, that’s easier said than done; as noted above, the Penguins’ trade bait isn’t exactly what one might call enticing. Unless Dubas is prepared to shred the roster by trading significant veterans, such as Bryan Rust (who has a no-movement clause for one more season), Erik Karlsson, Marcus Pettersson, or even, to a lesser extent, Rickard Rakell, he’s not going to get high picks or impressive prospects in return.

Rock meet hard place.

David Quinn Effect

Perhaps David Quinn’s hiring signals a willingness to alter the Penguins’ attack, at least somewhat. When the Penguins acquired Karlsson, he spoke of the on-ice schematic similarities between Quinn and Penguins coach Mike Sullivan. Except there is one significant difference: Quinn unleashed his talented defensemen Adam Fox in New York and Karlsson in San Jose.

“It’s a nice thing. I had a great relationship with (Quinn). I think he’s a fantastic coach who did some really good things,” Karlsson said at his introductory press conference on Aug. 9, 2023. “… obviously that makes it a little more comforting knowing they come from the same school.”

Of course, Karlsson meant “school” figuratively, though it’s also true literally, as Sullivan and Quinn were Boston U teammates.

The Penguins didn’t get the most out of Karlsson this season. His game felt constrained. Sullivan most likely doesn’t have the option to shift the focus to the defensemen, unlike San Jose, because of a couple of all-time great centers, Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin. A defenseman leading the charge can keep the puck off the stick of the pivots.

And would the Penguins truly improve by taking the puck off Crosby’s stick?

Malkin likes the puck, too, but that’s another matter as Malkin reaches the end of his career and his skating declines.

Perhaps Quinn can help Sullivan devise a strategy to make everyone happy and get the most out of everyone involved. Perhaps Quinn can unleash the best of P.O Joseph or even Graves. Todd Reirden certainly did neither.

There are questions about the Quinn dynamic. Things didn’t go smoothly in San Jose, and a few players were ruffled, but that much losing is bound to bring negativity and hard feelings.

But at least until Dubas starts making changes to the roster, the Quinn move is all there is.

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Chris
Chris
4 days ago

Not sure how you can compare Dubas’s style to Hextall in any way shape or form. He actually communicates his plans and intentions pretty clearly without getting overly specific. For example, if he were to declare his need for a 3C specifically, it might hinder his ability to negotiate a good deal for himself. Like when Rutherford telegraphed how much he thought the team needed a 3C in 2018 and ended up selling off way too much to acquire Brassard – who thought he was above the lineup position and was a complete bust. Another example – “Yes I am… Read more »

Christopher Castine
Christopher Castine
3 days ago
Reply to  Dan Kingerski

Yeah didnt think you were slamming just didnt think the characterization made sense. Maybe Hextall did speak more but said less, for sure.

Jeff Young
Jeff Young
3 days ago
Reply to  Dan Kingerski

Well, Hextall certainly didn’t write down his plan! LOL! 🙂 That was a classic statement.

JoJo
JoJo
4 days ago

Where do we go with this staff? Probably relegated to the AHL

Joe Pietropaolo
Joe Pietropaolo
4 days ago

Very intrigued with Laine possibility, but who would Pens be willing to sacrifice in a deal? What would Waddell want in return? Don’t give up on Graves who has taken over the Jack Johnson albatross with fan base. He is better than what we saw last season. Pens needs are obvious and Jackets needs are everywhere. I see other names mentioned as potential additions but none really get me excited that I feel would make a big difference. Lateral moves for the same outcome. I know this has been mentioned multiple times but is bringing Guentzel really out of the… Read more »

Pete
Pete
4 days ago

Sully will insist on his losing ways so nothing will change and the two coaches will butt heads.
Hopefully Sully is fired by Thanksgiving after another terrible start.

Stanley Kupp
Stanley Kupp
3 days ago
Reply to  Pete

Yeah, because Sullivan’s goal is to lose.

Eri
Eri
4 days ago

It’s hard to say how this dynamic duo will go, but first step should be to build the powerplay around EK, then select the 4 players who will fit this system – they need not be high paid players or veterans. Just take the best 4 for this powerplay strategy. Not sure if the powerplay will fall under Quinn’s purview or not. I say they need a specialist coach, just for PP & PK – at least just for PP. Maybe Jagr ?

Rich81
Rich81
4 days ago

The off-season will be a massive indicator of how this upcoming season will go. You will be able to tell by who is brought in by trade and signed in FA. If he goes the same route and signs a bunch of tweeners for the bottom 6. We will be in the lottery conversation next season. If he goes youth & gives them 25 games to establish themselves, feel that would build hope. At somepoint, you have to throw some of these guys in and see if they can perform. You know what your getting from a tweener, a limited… Read more »

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Rob
Rob
3 days ago
Reply to  Rich81

I keep hearing people say “play the young guys and see how they do”. The staff is seeing their performance every day and knows how they’re doing. You can’t just plug a mediocre AHL player into the NHL and hope they magically perform well. The Pens simply do not have the talent pushing for NHL roster spots, hence Dubas’ desire to restock the cupboard with picks and youth.

Robert Shoemaker
Robert Shoemaker
3 days ago
Reply to  Rob

Agreed, previous GMs have hurt the penguins long term by trading draft picks, letting good players go, and signing the wrong players for the system. they have also not drafted well either.

I will say that so far, Kyle has done everything that he said he was going to do since the moment he got here. He hasn’t sat on his hands like Hextall seemingly did and he does have a plan at least.

Brian Quinn
Brian Quinn
3 days ago

Haters are going to hate! This team has the potential to do great things.

Ujn Hunter
Ujn Hunter
2 days ago

Put EK65 with the 3rd/4th Lines and make him the Pivot? UNLEASH THE BEAST!